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should it matter how big of a high school a recruit goes to

Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:41 am
Posted by cincyykid
in a swamp far far away
Member since Mar 2016
1302 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:41 am
If a kid is 6'3 runs a 4.43 does it really matter if he came from a 2a school or a 6a school? I know some people really look into the high school competition kids play against but if a kid can play he can just play. I don't see why kids from smaller schools should be overlooked just because of where they grew up. Idk maybe it's just because I'm from a small town but what do you guys think.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:48 am to
For measures like height, weight, speed, bench, etc....no, it doesn't matter.

However, if you're evaluating film or looking at stats, yes it does matter in most cases. There are 1A stars who dominate on tape, but when they transfer to a 5A+ school, they're just an average player. That's b/c the bigger schools have a greater population/pool of students to select from to build a team.

Of course there are some guys in 1A or 2A who could still be a stud in FL 8A, but it's not like every 1A or 2A stud could dominate the same way at higher classifications, b/c they're going up against greater pools of talented athletes.

IF there were two DE's, one in 1A NC and one in 8A FL, who had identical measurables, (6'6", 250 lbs, 4.7 40yd, 350 lb bench, etc...) and stats, (85 Tackles, 25 sacks, 38 TFL's) I would be much more impressed with the 8A player in FL, b/c the quality of opponents he achieved those stats against was most likely much better.
Posted by JamalSanders
On a boat
Member since Jul 2015
12135 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 9:49 am to
quote:

a kid is 6'3 runs a 4.43
Those are measurables which are commonly distinguished from
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high school competition kids play against but if a kid can play he can just play
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2629 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:10 am to
While measurable are important, they are not the end all be all. The mental game is more important and it's hard to judge that mental aspect in shitty competition where a kid can just get by on his athleticism. Bigger schools tend to have more complex schemes and more competition for playing time.

It's easier to be amazing when you don't have to look over your shoulder knowing your backup could take your spot in lower divisions.
Posted by cincyykid
in a swamp far far away
Member since Mar 2016
1302 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:11 am to
Yeah I just threw some numbers out there. All I meant was if a guy has the same measurables just in different classification does it really make that much of a difference, but I can see where having great stats vs. A 5a school is better than great stats vs 1a
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68289 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:27 am to
Measureables are measurables, same everywhere

How you perform against elite competition matters a lot. If you go to a small school, you better be hitting up the camp circuit to prove you can play against the other elite.
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
14096 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:29 am to
The gap is not as big as some people suggest. Sometimes there's not any disparity of difference in competition to an individual player. Especially guys with great speed. Most players are going to continue in their development in college, anyway. Many kids in your smaller high schools get little to no evaluation at all.

The best way to evaluate talent is with your own two eyes, not high school division or recruiting stars.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
15649 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:59 am to
Charles Johnson was a 1A player in Georgia from Hawkinsville and was a 5Star. Sometimes it doesn't matter the competition if you are good enough.

Todd Gurley was a 4 star that should have been a 5 star but subpar competition made it hard to say he was the elite of the elite.
Posted by cincyykid
in a swamp far far away
Member since Mar 2016
1302 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 11:18 am to
I personally feel like it all depends on the coaching. Now one can say that on average you get better coaching at a bigger school but that's not always the case. There are plenty of small school juggernauts that are recruiting pipelines because of great coaching.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68289 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 11:20 am to
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I personally feel like it all depends on the coaching. Now one can say that on average you get better coaching at a bigger school but that's not always the case. There are plenty of small school juggernauts that are recruiting pipelines because of great coaching.



Coaching plays almost little to no part in how colleges scout high school kids. They only care if he has the pure talent and can he play against other talented players. They can coach him up in college.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39972 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 12:35 pm to
I was thinking of Marlon Brown who dominated the small private leagues in Tenn but then struggled to adjust to SEC football. He finally started contributing his Jr/Sr years.

And then you have Herschel Walker who played 1a football.
Posted by cincyykid
in a swamp far far away
Member since Mar 2016
1302 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 4:49 pm to
The way a kid is taught the game growing up is all coaching. You don't think these huge high schools don't have the best high school coaches? Not only do the big schools have better competition Tham small ones but better coaching, so although the college coaches may not care who coaches that it does play a part in how good they are. Like someone else said just because they have great measurable doesn't make them a great player necessarily. Technique is coached and the farther along they are developmentally, the quicker they will contribute in the college game.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
40061 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 5:12 pm to
There are defitnitely examples of 1A kids who made it. However your saying "if u can play, u can play" is definitely not true. Have seen many examples of kids dominating nobodies then get shut down against highest classification. As others have said, go to the camps to prove you can truly play. Kids at the bigger classifications have to prove they can play against all comers as well. However, if u have a 5A kid throwing other 5A kids in New Orleans around like rag dolls, you don't need to see much more.
Posted by remaster916
Alabama
Member since Oct 2012
12216 posts
Posted on 4/25/16 at 5:40 pm to
Look at OJ Howard at Bama. While he was in high school he played in a private school league, against terrible players. The league is so bad, there might be a college prospect in it maybe once every 5 years.

He had the measurable and dominated at the summer camps and was a 5 star.
Posted by UpstateCock2007
Columbia, SC
Member since Mar 2009
7717 posts
Posted on 4/26/16 at 8:48 am to
Alshon Jeffery is our best example. He played at Calhoun County HS which is 2A, but he also blew up at the camps and earned 4-star status.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68289 posts
Posted on 4/26/16 at 9:08 am to
quote:

Like someone else said just because they have great measurable doesn't make them a great player necessarily.


But generally speaking that's what college coaches look for.

Chidi Okeke at LSU just started playing football as a junior in high school. He had bad technique and even worse no knowledge of the game. Yet he still piled up scholarship offers from just about everyone, why? Because he had the size and talent you want in an elite LT, he can get great coaching on how to play in college.

Certainly coaching at high school could mask a player's talent, but that player still has every opportunity to hit up camps to get noticed. If you have the size and talent and dont look lost against other talented players, chances are you'll get noticed and get an offer.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:45 am to
Herschel Walker went to one of the smallest schools in the state.

However, normally a good indicator a kid can play is the competition he plays against. There are always exceptions to the rule, though.....like Herschel.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:49 am to
quote:

However your saying "if u can play, u can play" is definitely not true.



Well. Actually, it is.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
40061 posts
Posted on 4/26/16 at 2:46 pm to
Nope. If you can play against chumps, doesn't mean you can play against studs.
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