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Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:11 pm to pankReb
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:11 pm to pankReb
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But you literally just said that the problem with the Ole Mis fan base is that we have dumb expectations. Which is it?
There's a grace period even among the most ridiculously unreasonable fanbases in the country. I'm confused how this disproves my point?
Freeze had a 2 year grace period that is now over. True or false?
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:11 pm to engie
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You aren't worth arguing with on this. I've already shown in this very thread where you thought 3 months ago Derrick Jones was the best CB in the damn league. Now he's back to WR on a team that's one twisted ankle away from disaster at the CB position. All so he can go be receiver #7
Just to educate... DJ is a package WR and CB. He will be in once either the offense or defense is in the redzone. We have three outside WR's in Vince, LT, and Dayall. We would love to not have to use Dayall (RS), and multiple WR's can play outside that are slots (core, pack, quincy). But as far as pure outside WR's we have three. We would like another big physical WR on the outside to compliment treadwell when we get close to the goal line. I am confused as to why this couldnt be Core, but I dont know, and I dont pretend to know like you. He will play 10-15 snaps a game. He isnt 7th on our depth chart, but more of a package type WR. Same deal with CB.
I have no idea how he goes from being a future NFL player to only being a package player, but its not like the rant went out and watched him practice and decided he was that good. Thats what the coaches said. Thats what the writers said. Thats what his play said last year.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:15 pm to engie
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1 PBU and 2 tackles > Calhoun, Love, Cox, Hughes, Redmond, Market, Jiles, Cleveland, Irvin-Sills, Evans, etc. All from a guy that would be redshirting right beside Brandon Bryant at MSU this year.
Fournette has like 17 yards on 8 carries. Would you take him over any MSU RB? Yes, you would.
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I've already shown in this very thread where you thought 3 months ago Derrick Jones was the best CB in the damn league.
wuttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:15 pm to engie
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Freeze had a 2 year grace period that is now over. True or false?
It could go either way depending on the fan. I say false because as long as future teams look better on paper then the grace period continues. We will not have as bad an OL here as we do this year as long as we continue to recruit how we are. All other areas of the team are caught up and very good. Next year everything comes together, so in my opinion his grace period is 3 years as long as each team shows improvement and the future looks brighter due to recruiting.
Edit: We have to beat State and win 8 regular season games. Thats improvement. Maybe a missed opportunity with an experienced QB and weaker west, but still improvement.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:31 pm to Whereisomaha
This is a reasonable post and point -- and deserves one in return.
I'm pretty sure Freeze said it's a transition period until he's a fulltime receiver at some point this week -- but maybe I misread that? Been a pretty busy week with alot of time on mobile so my apologies if it's wrong or if Freeze is just playing games with us.
Is Freeze overruling Wommack here and "taking care of his offense" kinda in spite of the defense? Wommack seemed non-too-pleased with the swap from what I had heard. Bottom line is -- I don't buy "Jones being buried on the depth chart." No damn way he was passed by Cliff Coleman. Rumor from our side from several days before the game was that he was serving a one game suspension for an "off the field" incident that had been kept quiet. It was denied, of course, but it was awfully strange that he didn't play at all in game 1 while throwing a TrFR in the deep end, initially in a competitive game where one mistake could have been a big momentum swing...
Jones was good against a couple of really good receivers last year. Anyone that denies that is an idiot. In fact, your current staff has done a tremendous job with the element of surprise on some of that stuff like playing guys early/"in strange positions" -- and teams have been slow to adjust and get a good scouting report. IMO a good bit of that stuff is "gimmicky" and is pretty common-sensely exploitable -- but it seems your staff knows this as well and compensates/changes mostly before it catches up to them.
I was always in favor of us offering and chasing Jones and have never denied otherwise. All I heard from our side was that he wasn't quick enough -- and we've been pretty nitpicky with that on outside receivers. He became a very physical corner -- but I heard going into the Egg that it was his matchup that we were going after. Obviously, it didn't happen to any significant extent until Dak got in the game -- and even then, there wasn't shite Jones could have done with those De'Runnya out routes, so you can't really fault him there. We also didn't really trust anyone but Russell to throw deep last year, with that changing a bit for Dak in the bowl game.
Point being -- we thought Jones was exploitable deep and if you could shed him at the LOS, it was just a matter of time before it became a consistent reality. If your staff also saw this -- it would make damn good sense as to why they would make him into a red zone corner...
I'm pretty sure Freeze said it's a transition period until he's a fulltime receiver at some point this week -- but maybe I misread that? Been a pretty busy week with alot of time on mobile so my apologies if it's wrong or if Freeze is just playing games with us.
Is Freeze overruling Wommack here and "taking care of his offense" kinda in spite of the defense? Wommack seemed non-too-pleased with the swap from what I had heard. Bottom line is -- I don't buy "Jones being buried on the depth chart." No damn way he was passed by Cliff Coleman. Rumor from our side from several days before the game was that he was serving a one game suspension for an "off the field" incident that had been kept quiet. It was denied, of course, but it was awfully strange that he didn't play at all in game 1 while throwing a TrFR in the deep end, initially in a competitive game where one mistake could have been a big momentum swing...
Jones was good against a couple of really good receivers last year. Anyone that denies that is an idiot. In fact, your current staff has done a tremendous job with the element of surprise on some of that stuff like playing guys early/"in strange positions" -- and teams have been slow to adjust and get a good scouting report. IMO a good bit of that stuff is "gimmicky" and is pretty common-sensely exploitable -- but it seems your staff knows this as well and compensates/changes mostly before it catches up to them.
I was always in favor of us offering and chasing Jones and have never denied otherwise. All I heard from our side was that he wasn't quick enough -- and we've been pretty nitpicky with that on outside receivers. He became a very physical corner -- but I heard going into the Egg that it was his matchup that we were going after. Obviously, it didn't happen to any significant extent until Dak got in the game -- and even then, there wasn't shite Jones could have done with those De'Runnya out routes, so you can't really fault him there. We also didn't really trust anyone but Russell to throw deep last year, with that changing a bit for Dak in the bowl game.
Point being -- we thought Jones was exploitable deep and if you could shed him at the LOS, it was just a matter of time before it became a consistent reality. If your staff also saw this -- it would make damn good sense as to why they would make him into a red zone corner...
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:36 pm to engie
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How many TDs he catch week 1? What did ESPN say about him a few weeks ago? Thx. Engie obviously ahead of the curve(again).
So, I can't be ahead of the curve with Webster, but you can with Wilson. Seems legit. Why do you constantly throw shite for it come flying back at you? Does it not smell bad?
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Darius Slay is the sux!!1!1 Why are these dumbass bullies hyping him?!?1/
Shut. Up. You guys said nothing about Slay. It was the Banks show. You're a trip.
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You haven't had expectations yet. No one does in the first 2 years. Now you've got 8 all-SEC preseason performers. You should be competing for Atlanta and a season-long top 10-12 team. Are you going to live up to it?
Yeah, no shite. You said we had expectations, though. SO WHAT WERE THEY?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:37 pm to engie
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Still waiting on those 5 ELITEEEEE rbs to break out!!1!1
Oh look. Engie whines about "people putting words in his mouth" and then five posts later does the same shite. Our RB's are average SEC RB's...would still take them over MSU's.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:40 pm to Whereisomaha
FWIW, I agree with this post whole-heartedly as well.
Taking off the goggles -- it's easy to see the potential for huge problems at OL and CB that are mostly not Freeze's fault IMO that will self-correct next year. Now, OL kinda reared it's head already while healthy -- God forbid an injury or two this season.
The only reason I take the opposing stance is because of the one basically the entire online contingent of OM fans took with Mullen in year 3 when we experienced our OL clusterfrick with the 3 OL injuries against Auburn and LSU leading to Relf cracking a few ribs in the LSU game and never being the same again. OL issues turned another 8-4/9-3 team with a dominant defense(in spite of a dumb arse coordinator) into a 6-6 team that made me nervous against Wake in Nashville. All we heard then was "3 years is long enough to build a program -- Mullen can't recruit" etc... Was it his fault? Sure, partly. Didn't help that Croom only grabbed us one OL in 08 and 09 and Mullen was dumb enough to unleash Hevesy as our lead on JUCO guys we whiffed on across the board for 3 classes. Point being -- now that the shoe is on the other foot -- I've been trying to drive the point home that shite happens and it takes quite awhile to build an OL...
Taking off the goggles -- it's easy to see the potential for huge problems at OL and CB that are mostly not Freeze's fault IMO that will self-correct next year. Now, OL kinda reared it's head already while healthy -- God forbid an injury or two this season.
The only reason I take the opposing stance is because of the one basically the entire online contingent of OM fans took with Mullen in year 3 when we experienced our OL clusterfrick with the 3 OL injuries against Auburn and LSU leading to Relf cracking a few ribs in the LSU game and never being the same again. OL issues turned another 8-4/9-3 team with a dominant defense(in spite of a dumb arse coordinator) into a 6-6 team that made me nervous against Wake in Nashville. All we heard then was "3 years is long enough to build a program -- Mullen can't recruit" etc... Was it his fault? Sure, partly. Didn't help that Croom only grabbed us one OL in 08 and 09 and Mullen was dumb enough to unleash Hevesy as our lead on JUCO guys we whiffed on across the board for 3 classes. Point being -- now that the shoe is on the other foot -- I've been trying to drive the point home that shite happens and it takes quite awhile to build an OL...
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:42 pm to engie
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God forbid an injury
I'd cry.
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or two this season.
I'd cry until next season.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:43 pm to engie
You're doing it in a very jackass way. You should probably post more in this fashion than subscribing to the REBEL5 AC school of Rantiquette.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:44 pm to REBEL5 AC
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So, I can't be ahead of the curve with Webster, but you can with Wilson. Seems legit. Why do you constantly throw shite for it come flying back at you? Does it not smell bad?
You were "ahead of the curve" on Derrick Jones. Look where that got you. Basically -- you are an infinitely times proven dumb arse. And I'm done discussing it with you. The big boys are talking now.
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Shut. Up. You guys said nothing about Slay. It was the Banks show. You're a trip.
bullshite we didn't. We told you he was coming. Told everyone that would listen that he was as good or better than Banks from the very start of 2012. It was a widely panned joke for the better part of that season until he started catching a bunch of draft momentum.
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Yeah, no shite. You said we had expectations, though. SO WHAT WERE THEY?
WiO spelled it out for me in his sometimes pretty reasonable terms. Like I said -- big boys are talking now and fatsecret is waiting for you.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 3:00 pm to engie
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You were "ahead of the curve" on Derrick Jones.
Not at all. I didn't have any idea the player DJ ended up being last season. Look, we can keep going or whatever, but the fact is Freeze said DJ was an NFL caliber corner. That, plus shutting down two first round draft picks in his two first games at CB, you'd be a fricking idiot to not think DJ was the next big thing, am I right? Yes, I am. There were literally no signs saying he wouldn't be a stud and you know that.
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bullshite we didn't. We told you he was coming. Told everyone that would listen that he was as good or better than Banks from the very start of 2012. It was a widely panned joke for the better part of that season until he started catching a bunch of draft momentum.
Preseason y'all were saying this? Or after he had 4 picks in the first three weeks? My bet is on the latter, but I'll take your world since I wasn't around.
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big boys are talking now and fatsecret is waiting for you.
Lol, good one! Why is there an engie account on farmersmeat.com?
See how that works?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 3:01 pm to Wanderin Reb
Thanks for using your 5k post on me 
Missed you at the Boise game.
Missed you at the Boise game.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 3:10 pm to reggierayreb
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Everett aTm
That's the guy that was torched, what three times in the South Carolina game?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 3:12 pm to Whereisomaha
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Bryant is a CB?
No.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 3:13 pm to DynastyDawg
Didn't he get hurt in like the second qtr? I can't remember
Posted on 9/4/14 at 3:15 pm to REBEL5 AC
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Shut. Up. You guys said nothing about Slay. It was the Banks show. You're a trip.
Wrong.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 3:17 pm to DynastyDawg
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Wrong.
Sup? Why weren't you at the draft last night?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 3:18 pm to UMRealist
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Didn't he get hurt in like the second qtr? I can't remember
I'm not sure, the only thing I can remember about that guy is seeing his name on the back of the jersey that got burned several times. That is if I am getting the name correct, I think they have two corners with similar names.
Mainly I was trying to point out that him being in the top 3 corners "off the top of Reggie's head" was stupid.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 3:19 pm to REBEL5 AC
Man, I told you I wasn't going to be in that shite.
I actually only got in one fantasy league this year. Last week when everyone were having their drafts I missed three days at work because of the flu.
frick that shite.
I actually only got in one fantasy league this year. Last week when everyone were having their drafts I missed three days at work because of the flu.
frick that shite.
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