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re: Former Vandy James Franklin Starting A Satellite FB Camp In Atlanta, GA.

Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:04 pm to
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:04 pm to
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Bama does this every year.

Bama has signed 26, 25, 26 and 22 the last 4 years. That's 99 players (not including any redshirts they had previously) over 4 years to only 85 scholarships allowed by the NCAA.

This isn't even debatable.


Wow, and I thought some of the UT fans at least had a brain cell
Posted by Recruitinomics
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:14 pm to
Well, first my favorite team is a northern BCS program and Florida is my second, so it would probably benefit them a lot more. Obviously some programs would come to the south and "steal" a few recruits, but think about what SEC teams could do. A team like Florida could perhaps set up a camp in southern California. I don't think it's going to happen, but it would be pretty entertaining.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:20 pm to
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Well, first my favorite team is a northern BCS program a
Just curious who this might be.


I just don't like the idea of it and I would imagine most coaches wouldn't since it's just one more thing to add to the list of stuff they would have to do.
Posted by Recruitinomics
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:36 pm to
Iowa State.

So for a program like ISU, it's not like they're going to be stealing recruits from the SEC. Nobody who has an offer from a SEC program is going to go to Iowa State.

I don't blame the SEC for not wanting to do this. It would probably effect them disproportionately, but I think most southern prospects will stay in the SEC.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:48 pm to
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Iowa State.
Completely not what I was thinking


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So for a program like ISU, it's not like they're going to be stealing recruits from the SEC. Nobody who has an offer from a SEC program is going to go to Iowa State.

I don't blame the SEC for not wanting to do this. It would probably effect them disproportionately, but I think most southern prospects will stay in the SEC.


I get it. It's just that some people would abuse it like everything else.
Posted by Buckeye06
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:10 pm to
I don't support schools who oversign with a passion and "process" guys out on an annual basis, but I think if a kid would rather go to Bama and try and be "the man" in a group of men, rather than be the superstar at a school like Baylor or Arizona State, then so be it.

The only time I really noticed oversigning was in the 2011 sugarbowl (that has since ending never occurred in the first place).

Arkansas had signed 30 more players than OSU in the previous 4 years...that's just an absolute ton, and more than a normal extra year of guys. No one can tell me there aren't problems in some way a system where one school can accept 30% more guys than another school (I don't know if it works out to 30% but it's pretty close I'd figure if OSU signed 100 in 4 years)

I know some schools don't oversign at all in the conference, but that one stuck out to me in a huge way
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:35 pm to
I've been screaming for years that U of Arkansas should be doing this in NOLA, DFW, ATL, Miami.
Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:41 pm to
And OSU has signed:

2011 - 25
2012 - 25
2013 - 24
2014 - 23

That's 97 recruits. A whopping 2 fewer than Bama. So you're "oversigning", just not "oversigning with a passion"? If Bama is processing out players, don't you think you are, too?

If a guy comes to a school, but turns out not to be good enough to play, should he just stay at that school and rot on the bench? Or should he go somewhere he can see the field.
Posted by Mirthomatic
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:45 pm to
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I've been screaming for years that U of Arkansas should be doing this in NOLA, DFW, ATL, Miami.



We can't do it. SEC bylaws say its schools can only hold camps within a 50-mile radius of their own campus.

But this may prompt a rule change.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:58 pm to
Boom!!
Posted by chattabama
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 2:57 pm to
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Bama has signed 26, 25, 26 and 22 the last 4 years. That's 99 players (not including any redshirts they had previously) over 4 years to only 85 scholarships allowed by the NCAA.


I was inspired by Conway's post, so I decided to look at it from Bama's perspective.

Not all scholarship players stay for four years. If we use your numbers, that is fourteen players over the signing limit. Let's look at it closer.

2010 (26)
Dee Milliner first round draft pick.
Phil Sims: Lost the starting qb job to AJ. Wanted to see the field. Transferred to UVA.
Alfy Hill: Didn't qualify
Corey Grant: didn't want to be a db. Transferred to Auburn.
Deion Belue: Didn't qualify. Counts twice because he came back to Bama
Jay Williams: Lost the job to Cody Mandell. Decided to pursue baseball at UT.
Ronald Carswell: Indefinitely suspended. went to juco. tPOS'd his way out of WVU.
Keiwone Malone: Indefinitely suspended for breaking team rules in 2011. Transferred to Memphis.
Brandon Lewis (community college) got buried on the depth chart. Moved to TE. Got buried again. Decided to forego his senior season

1 Early draft pick
2 tPOS
1 Baseball
2 Non qualifiers
1 Not satisfied with position
1 Maybe processee, but can be argued that he didn't want to be a benchwarmer.

2010 alone accounts for half of the "processing". I think it's fair to say that most of them processed themselves.


2011 (25)
Brent Calloway-tPOS'd his way out of Alabama
HaHa- early to the draft.
Quinton Dial- Community college. Graduated from Bama 2 years later.
Jesse Williams- Community college. Graduated from Bama 2 years later.
Aaron Douglas: deceased.
Philip Ely: buried on the depth chart. transferred before the 2013 season.
LaMichael Fanning: suspended for violation of team rules. TPOS'd his way off the team.
Dee Hart: After two injuries got buried on depth chart and was only on special teams. Transferred before 2014 season.
CyKo: early to the draft
Pagan: early to the draft
Pettway: TPOS'd his way off the team. Now coming back to the team. Technically counts twice on NSD numbers.
Shinn: This was the ultimate wtf transfer. I highly doubt we "processed" him, as he saw significant minutes in the Bama vs. Notre Dame game. I'll count him as a depth chart casualty for the sake of tallying.
Danny Woodson: suspended for violation of team rules. transferred out. tPOS?
Duron Carter:

3-NFL draftees
1- deceased
2- JUCO
3-buried on depth chart
3-tPOS
1-

13 from that class who didn't stay for four years. Most legitimate reasons.

2012 (26)
Deion Belue: counts twice. Signed with Bama. JUCO. Played two years.
Travell Dixon: Buried on depth chart. JUCO.
Tyler Hayes: tPOS'd his way out of Bama.
Eddie Williams: tPOS'd his way out of Bama
Caleb Gulledge: medical. Staff didn't want to take a chance with having something happen to his back. I'll be generous though and call him a processee.

1-JUCO
2-"Processees", but that's being liberal with the definition.
2-tPOS

2013 (22)
Parker McLeod leaving because buried on depth chart
Leon Brown: JUCO. Will leave after 2014.
Darius Paige: medical. With our pathetic depth at DT last year, no way he was processed.


Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 4:13 pm to
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Yea Franklin is just being smart here. OSU fans are already beginning to hate him; I think it's good for the league to be pulling studs out of the south east west and north. The B1G needs PSU to be a good program to get back to being a strong league


James Franklin will give you far more reasons to hate him as time passes and very few, if any, will have anything to do with actual games.
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