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re: Derrick Henry just decommitted
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:01 am to GregYoureMyBoyBlue
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:01 am to GregYoureMyBoyBlue
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HE can say "I've been to UGA, i went there, i coached with Bobo...BUT Bama is better here, here, and here."
You can make subtle comparisons - as you've outlined - without them being negative towards the other school. If a recruit opens a door for you to talk about playing rotation, success of a program, facilities, etc, then you do it. You don't have to say "we're better than UGA in A, B, and C".
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He wished him luck. What did you expect?
He asked him what made him change his mind in 24 hours. MM didn't give him a straight answer. A lot of "just slept on it and felt different". Kirby handled that with class. He did wish him best of luck, congratulated him on his decision, told him he would enjoy his time at UGA, but he - in a good natured jab - said "you know we're gonna kick your arse if we play you, right?"
Nothing negative about that and that was a situation that happens every year and usually the "scorned" coach goes negative.
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who's to say that Saban doesn't coach for the next 10 years
He might. Hope he does, but would be shocked if he did.
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think Kirby is gonna stick around that long
Nope
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I think he is going to be gone this year or next when he gets a good HC job to show he can be a good HC,
It would need to be a really good situation where he could win for 3-4 years. He wouldn't go to a place like USM (i know he int'd their last year, but he was never going there. that was a "more money" interview)
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Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:02 am to bulldawger
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Most incorrect statement of the day.
Trey, you're better than this.
The grand delusion of UGA fans on this topic always amuses me.
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:06 am to TreyAnastasio
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The grand delusion of Bama fans on this topic always amuses me.
FIFY...i'm fine with people thinking he'll be interviewed when Richt retires if he applies for the job. As well he should. But for your brethren that are convinced he is top 5 on our list is crazy talk.
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:10 am to GregYoureMyBoyBlue
if we hired kirby that'd be the largest collective sigh the state may ever let out. it wouldn't be the end of the world but everyone would have to stomach down extra helpings of meh for a while
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:11 am to bamasgot13
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bamasgot13
So here is what i got from our exchange:
1) We both think the UGA job is a great coaching job
2) If Smart was offered UA or UGA job he'd take UA
3) Smart could/could not have negatively recruited, but either way he and MM left on good terms...as Smart is a good recruiter, he did the right thing
4) The length of time until Kirby leaves Bama is in relation to Saban's time left coaching
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:13 am to Damn Good Dawg
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if we hired kirby that'd be the largest collective sigh the state may ever let out. it wouldn't be the end of the world but everyone would have to stomach down extra helpings of meh for a while
I hope he never goes there. I love being able to cherry pick top talent out of the state.
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:16 am to GregYoureMyBoyBlue
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So here is what i got from our exchange:
1) We both think the UGA job is a great coaching job
2) If Smart was offered UA or UGA job he'd take UA
3) Smart could/could not have negatively recruited, but either way he and MM left on good terms...as Smart is a good recruiter, he did the right thing
4) The length of time until Kirby leaves Bama is in relation to Saban's time left coaching
1) I think UGA is a good job that could be great.
2) I am certain that if given his choice of UGA or UA that Kirby would take the Bama job. Seems we agree here.
3) I don't think Kirby could/could not have negatively recruited. I do NOT think he negatively recruits. Perhaps you and I have different definitions of negative recruiting though.
4) I think the primary factor in Kirby's time at Bama is tied to Saban. That said, he could get an offer too good to turn down (who would have thought Florida would have offered Boom 3 years ago?) and that would change things, obviously. If that offer came, he'd have to debate whether he wanted to make $1.2M/for 3-4 years then get the keys to Bama (again, not saying this is definite, just saying Kirby thinks it is), or get $2M/year right away at whatever school the other offer happened to be.
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:18 am to TreyAnastasio
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I hope he never goes there. I love being able to cherry pick top talent out of the state.
Who have you cherry picked within the last 3-4 years that has been "top talent"...Dickson? Geno? I'll give you those two, but for the most part the battles have gone the way of UGA. This year still isn't over so i haven't conceded the recruiting class for 2013, but for the past years...huh?
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:21 am to bamasgot13
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3) I don't think Kirby could/could not have negatively recruited. I do NOT think he negatively recruits. Perhaps you and I have different definitions of negative recruiting though.
Ya...we don't agree here
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4) I think the primary factor in Kirby's time at Bama is tied to Saban. That said, he could get an offer too good to turn down (who would have thought Florida would have offered Boom 3 years ago?) and that would change things, obviously. If that offer came, he'd have to debate whether he wanted to make $1.2M/for 3-4 years then get the keys to Bama (again, not saying this is definite, just saying Kirby thinks it is), or get $2M/year right away at whatever school the other offer happened to be.
I personally think it'd be foolish for you guys to make Kirby HCIW when Saban is done. But that's just my opinion
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:24 am to TreyAnastasio
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The grand delusion of UGA fans on this topic always amuses me.
That we don't think we we would hire or look to hire a DC with no HC experience who is largely considered to be a puppet of Saban who used us to get a raise 3 years ago?
Add all that up and tell me we're "delusional"
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:27 am to GregYoureMyBoyBlue
I believe that Kirby was secretly told that he could have the opportunity to take over as head coach at Alabama when Saban leaves, kind of like a secret coach in waiting. And that is the reason he stayed at Bama instead of going back to his alma mater. He probably wasn't sure that he would be retained if and when Richt lost his job.
Remember, at the time, Richt was more so on the hotseat, and he reached out to Kirby to become the DC. All the fans were thrilled because Kirby was doing a good job for Bama and they thought that Kirby would jump at the job to go back to Georgia. When he decided to stay at Bama, because the job was more secure at the time and he was given a huge raise, it pissed off the Georgia fan base.
IMO that's also the reason that Sunseri went to Tennessee. He didn't see becoming the DC at Bama anytime soon, because Kirby had the job until Saban left.
I'm not an insider and don't know, but that's my opinion.
Remember, at the time, Richt was more so on the hotseat, and he reached out to Kirby to become the DC. All the fans were thrilled because Kirby was doing a good job for Bama and they thought that Kirby would jump at the job to go back to Georgia. When he decided to stay at Bama, because the job was more secure at the time and he was given a huge raise, it pissed off the Georgia fan base.
IMO that's also the reason that Sunseri went to Tennessee. He didn't see becoming the DC at Bama anytime soon, because Kirby had the job until Saban left.
I'm not an insider and don't know, but that's my opinion.
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:29 am to GregYoureMyBoyBlue
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Who have you cherry picked within the last 3-4 years that has been "top talent"...
In 2012, Bama signed 4 of the top 13 kids out of Georgia (more than any other school). UGA signed 3 of the top 13. AU signed 2 of the top 13.
In 2011, UGA signed 5 of the top 10, Bama signed 1 (had another commited, but he went to JUCO).
In 2010, both Bama and UGA signed one of the top 10 from Georgia (way to lock down your state UGA).
Three year total: Bama has signed 6 of the top 33 prospects in Georgia the past three years. UGA has signed 9 of the top 33. That's not bad considering it isn't our state.
This is back to my point about UGA being a "good" job that could be a "great job". UGA lets too many good players leave the state. To have only signed 27% of the top players the past three years is telling.
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:30 am to GregYoureMyBoyBlue
When Richt's seat was staring to heat up in '09 and '10, I argued with a lot of Bama fans who were sure that UGA would come hard after Kirby to be the HC. At a top job like UGA, they're going to want either someone who's a proven head coach or a coordinator with a lot of experience at that position. Kirby didn't have either. You look at guys like Bob Stoops, Mark Richt, and Will Muschamp. They all had 8+ years of coordinator experience before being hired as HC at top programs. Kirby is just now starting to get into that category and after another couple years he'll be a prime candidate for a HC gig at top programs. If UGA was hiring today, I think Kirby would be pretty far down on their list but that could change in a few years.
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:33 am to gatorhata9
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is largely considered to be a puppet of Saban
By who? UGA fans? That doesn't count. Those that know - coaches and administrators in college - know that Kirby is very involved in every aspect of the Defense at Bama.
If he left, we'd be fine b/c of Saban's current level of involvement, but to discount what Kirby does is to be completely in the dark as to what Kirby does.
He is involved in targeting and recruiting players for our system, gameplanning each week, and making in-game calls.
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:35 am to bamasgot13
Cherry picking top talent means you come in and take the ones you want...I never said you don't get players from the state. During that time period we've signed the top players from NC, SC, FL, and TN. If we have players out of state that are higher on our board, we're going to take those kids.
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:42 am to bamasgot13
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By who? UGA fans? That doesn't count. Those that know - coaches and administrators in college - know that Kirby is very involved in every aspect of the Defense at Bama.
If he left, we'd be fine b/c of Saban's current level of involvement, but to discount what Kirby does is to be completely in the dark as to what Kirby does.
He is involved in targeting and recruiting players for our system, gameplanning each week, and making in-game calls.
When you look at UGA's defense, you say Grantham's defense
When you look at Alabama's defense, you say SABAN's defense.
I'm not saying he wouldn't be a great HC, i'm saying that from an AD's perspective, they have to take into consideration that he is under the watch of an uber control freak that wants things does his way and that's it. From a learning perspective, you couldn't be put in a better situation. I just don't think it's the best pedigree to be a HC, i think it's a great stepping stone, but about two more rungs from the top (next being HC at a decent school, then HC at a top school....OR DC at a top school with total control, then HC at top school).
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:43 am to GregYoureMyBoyBlue
I think it's funny that fingers are being pointed at bama for negative recruiting when every time a prospect speaks on the matter they talk about the coaching staff being straight forward and "only talking about alabama"
Why the frick would alabama need to negative recruit? They're the national champions and THE premiere program in the country, hop on the train or we'll find someone just as good. Substantial negative recruiting is a gimmick used by those that have to, like auburn and florida state
Why the frick would alabama need to negative recruit? They're the national champions and THE premiere program in the country, hop on the train or we'll find someone just as good. Substantial negative recruiting is a gimmick used by those that have to, like auburn and florida state
This post was edited on 6/14/12 at 10:44 am
Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:48 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Why the frick would alabama need to negative recruit? They're the national champions and THE premiere program in the country
Because that's not what every recruit cares about.
Posted on 6/14/12 at 11:16 am to bamasgot13
All the "we hate Kirby" stuff aside, why would we hire Kirby when Grantham is already on campus with defensive coaches he picked himself? Why, if Richt is fired or leaves, would we pursue Kirby Smart when a 3-4 defensive coach with equal recruiting and coaching chops is already on campus and already has a rapport built p with the players?
Answer is we wouldn't
Answer is we wouldn't
Posted on 6/14/12 at 11:25 am to tylerdurden24
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Why, if Richt is fired or leaves, would we pursue Kirby Smart when a 3-4 defensive coach with equal recruiting and coaching chops is already on campus and already has a rapport built p with the players
Well, if it was because he ws fired it would be b/c you were completely cleaning house. Richt isn't leaving for another job, so the only posibility of the UGA job coming open is if he's fired or has some type of health issue. He is, by all counts, healthy.
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