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Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:24 am to CtotheVrzrbck
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:24 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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Ironically recruiting almost exclusively Texas kids is what led to Mack Brown's failure on the football field.
I will take his "failure" of winning a national title any day.
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Lots of underestimating of Strong. He is by no means an exceptional recruiter, but he's better than most.
I will be the first one to admit he might be a great talent scout, but for now he is losing head-to-heads.
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:01 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Lots of underestimating of Strong. He is by no means an exceptional recruiter, but he's better than most.
Recruiting Texas is different from recruiting Florida. If you rub certain coaches the wrong way, you end up getting shut out of entire regions.
Case in point: Dennis Franchione.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:12 am to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:Good Ole Boys huh?
Recruiting Texas is different from recruiting Florida. If you rub certain coaches the wrong way, you end up getting shut out of entire regions.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:29 am to EricSilver26
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Is Kendall Sheffield truly a "heavy A&M lean" in your opinion.... come on now
You mean the recruit who has 31 out of 31 crystal balls to A&M by industry recruiting experts (including Alabamas)?
Yea, I think he is a pretty heavy lean to A&M.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:31 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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Ironically recruiting almost exclusively Texas kids is what led to Mack Brown's failure on the football field.
wat
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:43 am to sjmabry
Les Miles developed those ties at Oklahoma State, Saban at LSU, and Sumlin at Houston. Strong's first impression was to tell a defensive coach he was coaching wrong. That coach had a player named Otaro Alaka.
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 11:03 am to sjmabry
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Good Ole Boys huh?
Yup, and Charlie ain't one.
If Texas would have stolen Briles I would be outright SCARED right now.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 11:31 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Strong's first impression was to tell a defensive coach he was coaching wrong. That coach had a player named Otaro Alaka.
Congrats on Alaka but your post is totally false. quote:
After pleasantries were exchanged, Eaton said Strong began with a question: Was Eaton an offensive or defensive coach? Defense, he said. Strong liked that answer.
So the new Longhorns coach extended an offer: Tell me what you need help with. What gave his Eagles trouble this season? The answer: Eaton hated defending the Diamond formation.
So Strong grabbed a marker and went to the whiteboard, delivering an impromptu seminar of X's and O's. Eaton had never seen that before. He'd later say it was one of the coolest visits he'd ever hosted.
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 11:34 am to CapstoneGrad06
Strong certainly can turn it around but the results so far have been a lot of big talk with terrible results. He closed out '14 like a wet fart losing Alaka and Henderson to A&M and losing Robinson to Bama. The talk was all blaming Mack and how '15 and especially '16 would be SO much better. So far Sumlin is beating up Strong as severely in recruiting as any other time in history, it's astonishing how many kids that openly admit they grew up Texas fans are going to A&M, much less the ones who didn't grow up with a preference.
He is getting slapped around by Baylor and even Tech which simply should never happen. The amount of natural recruiting advantages Texas has over Baylor and Tech are almost too long to list.
Strong is going to have to get it done with 3 Stars which is of course possible in the Big 12 but it is no easy task. He is a solid X's and O's coach and won at Louisville with similar talent even with the Big 12 being less than it was it is no AAC. The Big 12 actually is the 2nd strongest Conference from a pure coaching perspective with established systems in place, 5 of which have won Conf Titles (Stoops at OU, Gundy at OSU, Briles at Baylor, and Snyder at KSU, Patterson at TCU). Then you have Holgerson at WVU and Kingsbury at Tech that are dangerous. I don't know how you could just put Strong as better than many of those coaches at this point and he isn't going to have overwhelming talent against any of them.
He is getting slapped around by Baylor and even Tech which simply should never happen. The amount of natural recruiting advantages Texas has over Baylor and Tech are almost too long to list.
Strong is going to have to get it done with 3 Stars which is of course possible in the Big 12 but it is no easy task. He is a solid X's and O's coach and won at Louisville with similar talent even with the Big 12 being less than it was it is no AAC. The Big 12 actually is the 2nd strongest Conference from a pure coaching perspective with established systems in place, 5 of which have won Conf Titles (Stoops at OU, Gundy at OSU, Briles at Baylor, and Snyder at KSU, Patterson at TCU). Then you have Holgerson at WVU and Kingsbury at Tech that are dangerous. I don't know how you could just put Strong as better than many of those coaches at this point and he isn't going to have overwhelming talent against any of them.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 11:36 am to ATX Horn
So you're saying Strong impressed the hell out of the HS coach and still managed to lose an important LB recruit that had been committed to the longhorns for almost a year? 
Posted on 7/15/14 at 12:07 pm to ATX Horn
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The answer: Eaton hated defending the Diamond formation.
Oklahoma State's diamond formation is going to shred Strong's defense just like it shredded Mack Brown's.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 12:20 pm to aggressor
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Strong is going to have to get it done with 3 Stars which is of course possible in the Big 12 but it is no easy task.
Next year might be his most talented team.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:20 pm to cardboardboxer
The problem with Charlie is not that he isn't a good enough coach, most believe him to be very savvy, at least defensively.
It's that he isn't getting his top choices at the positions he is recruiting, and in the big 12, with explosive spread offenses, not getting the top talent will prove to be the biggest challenge in stopping those offenses.
You can't downgrade in talent and upgrade in opposing offenses and not struggle somewhere.
It's that he isn't getting his top choices at the positions he is recruiting, and in the big 12, with explosive spread offenses, not getting the top talent will prove to be the biggest challenge in stopping those offenses.
You can't downgrade in talent and upgrade in opposing offenses and not struggle somewhere.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:23 pm to aggressor
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He closed out '14 like a wet fart losing Alaka and Henderson to A&M and losing Robinson to Bama.
Robinson was a freshman at Alabama in 2013.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 2:55 pm to CapstoneGrad06
You are correct, forgot that was Mack's loss.
Point was though that Strong got his '14 class pillaged and instead of getting better in '15 and '16 so far it looks like he is getting worse. He has no momentum at this point in recruiting and the only way he can turn it around is winning which is no easy task considering he doesn't have the big talent edge Texas has enjoyed over previous years. Essentially he has got to beat most of the B12 teams with similar if not superior talent to what he has and similar or superior coaching. Can he do it? Sure, but it is far from a lock and if he struggles it could get REALLY ugly.
Point was though that Strong got his '14 class pillaged and instead of getting better in '15 and '16 so far it looks like he is getting worse. He has no momentum at this point in recruiting and the only way he can turn it around is winning which is no easy task considering he doesn't have the big talent edge Texas has enjoyed over previous years. Essentially he has got to beat most of the B12 teams with similar if not superior talent to what he has and similar or superior coaching. Can he do it? Sure, but it is far from a lock and if he struggles it could get REALLY ugly.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 3:26 pm to Aggball
Also, A&M isn't competing with Texas for recruits anymore. They're competing with Alabama and LSU.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 4:48 pm to aggressor
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Point was though that Strong got his '14 class pillaged and instead of getting better in '15 and '16 so far it looks like he is getting worse. He has no momentum at this point in recruiting and the only way he can turn it around is winning which is no easy task considering he doesn't have the big talent edge Texas has enjoyed over previous years. Essentially he has got to beat most of the B12 teams with similar if not superior talent to what he has and similar or superior coaching. Can he do it? Sure, but it is far from a lock and if he struggles it could get REALLY ugly
Here are the main problems with UTx recruiting IMO.
1.) The strict rules. I've seen more recruits mention that as something they want to avoid.
2.) ATM does not have those strict rules in place. Which program would a kid rather attend? A military camp type school or one that (within reason) gives him a ton of freedom?
3.) ATM is still riding the JFF wave. If y'all would've had the same record with an AJ Mc/Zach Mett quarterback nobody would really care that much about ATM. JFF brought a certain excitement to ATM, and ATM is still reaping the benefits of his career.
The question I have for ATM fans is at what point does the defense need to show improvement in order to prove that defensive recruits can be developed?
I understand the cupboard was bare last year, but there didn't seem to be any real improvement on the defense from beginning to end. If ATM's struggles on defense this year mirror their struggles last year I can see that as being easy for Strong to recruit against.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:05 pm to chattabama
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Here are the main problems with UTx recruiting IMO. 1.) The strict rules. I've seen more recruits mention that as something they want to avoid.
No doubt, Charlies "bootcamp" mentality in requiring players to live on camps, et al, are playing a factor in choosing tu these days. tu isn't seen as the top dog in their conference of state, so putting these rules on the player, before they come in, are really causing even the 2nd and 3rd tier players to choose the Baylors and Techs.
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2.) ATM does not have those strict rules in place. Which program would a kid rather attend? A military camp type school or one that (within reason) gives him a ton of freedom?
This question is already being answered with the current and future classes.
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3.) ATM is still riding the JFF wave. If y'all would've had the same record with an AJ Mc/Zach Mett quarterback nobody would really care that much about ATM. JFF brought a certain excitement to ATM, and ATM is still reaping the benefits of his career.
I agree, having Johnny in the spotlight cause the entire football world to take notice of everything goin on at A&M. Without Johnny, we probably dont get 60% of the face time, as a university, as what we did with him. He was electric to everyone, fan or not.
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The question I have for ATM fans is at what point does the defense need to show improvement in order to prove that defensive recruits can be developed? I understand the cupboard was bare last year, but there didn't seem to be any real improvement on the defense from beginning to end. If ATM's struggles on defense this year mirror their struggles last year I can see that as being easy for Strong to recruit against
The defense needs to show it right away. IMO. We need to be able to come out, keep the games around the 35 point mark, and not much higher. What I mean by that, is that I expect our team to win or at least be in very good position to win the games that we keep teams under 40. I think its obvious to most that our offense will continue to score, and by keeping the teams around the 30-35 point mark, I feel we will have a very good chance to win most shootouts.
Our defense wont be holding the average team to 21 points of less this year, at least thats not my expectation. My expectation is to have a much improved run defense and a secondary that doesn't give up the long pass play once a half, like in the past season.
If we can shore up the run defense, it puts a lot more pressure on the leagues QB's and thats where the pass rushing stage of our game will come into play, and hopefully be much better with some talent that has been recently acquired.
If we win the games, no matter the score, then all anyone will talk about is how good our offense is.. If we lose games due to a high score, everyone will talk about how bad the defense is.
To get back to your question, I honestly believe we could be just as bad defensively as last year, yet win the games, and it not affect our recruiting, or not much anyway. Because that will still show that Sumlin can win int he SEC, win with a team considered half full, and still be able to effectively sell the "we need you" card.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:06 pm to chattabama
No doubt A&M has to show improvement on D if it wants to keep pulling in the defensive talent. The key is they have 2 years of solid defensive classes with '15 looking like it will be even stronger. The '12 D actually had some good talent but more importantly lots of Sr leadership that was sorely lacking last year.
There was some talent last year but it was very young and raw and got burned badly, there was no effective pass rush, no consistency at MLB, and the Safeties were terrible. There is plenty of reason for optimism this year in terms of improvement, the question is how much improvement.
If Garrett can step up as a legit pass rusher along with some of the other young talent like Hall that would change a lot. It looks like Mastro is ready to take over at MLB and has SEC size, can he though? Will the Safeties be able to rebound from a horrible '13, hopefully with better support?
The good news is the bar is pretty low to show improvement but it still needs to happen.
There was some talent last year but it was very young and raw and got burned badly, there was no effective pass rush, no consistency at MLB, and the Safeties were terrible. There is plenty of reason for optimism this year in terms of improvement, the question is how much improvement.
If Garrett can step up as a legit pass rusher along with some of the other young talent like Hall that would change a lot. It looks like Mastro is ready to take over at MLB and has SEC size, can he though? Will the Safeties be able to rebound from a horrible '13, hopefully with better support?
The good news is the bar is pretty low to show improvement but it still needs to happen.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 5:06 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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Ironically recruiting almost exclusively Texas kids is what led to Mack Brown's failure on the football field.
What's really ironic is an Arky fan bringing this up.
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