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re: Alabama flips Mississippi State Commit Holcombe

Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:25 pm to
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:25 pm to
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What other group has 2 players on the preseason watch list(McKinney and Skinner for the Butkus Award)


They also had DT Schackleford on that list.. just saying
Posted by TreyAnastasio
Bitch I'm From Cleveland
Member since Dec 2010
46759 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:26 pm to
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What about LC?


We told him that he offer was no longer committable.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25872 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:26 pm to
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If the player was a recruited walk-on, a student-athlete who was recruited by Alabama's coaches and who receives the Bryant Scholarship, that player does not count against Alabama's scholarship numbers until he sees playing time.

What the frick is this shite?

Can we have a Dooley Scholarship?
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:27 pm to
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What about LC?


He has a spot
Posted by Quicksilver
Poker Room
Member since Jan 2013
10745 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:27 pm to
Isn't flipping States recruits Ole Miss's job?

Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25872 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:28 pm to
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The NCAA treats it similar to a walk-on on academic scholarship. If he's not a recruited athlete, he won't be a counter until he actually plays

Except this would be a recruited athlete
Posted by TreyAnastasio
Bitch I'm From Cleveland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:29 pm to
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If the player was a recruited walk-on, a student-athlete who was recruited by Alabama's coaches and who receives the Bryant Scholarship, that player does not count against Alabama's scholarship numbers until he sees playing time.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25872 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:30 pm to
I understand how it works. I just think it's a load of crap.
Posted by 615tider
sidewalk in TN
Member since Oct 2012
3349 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:31 pm to
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Can we have a Dooley Scholarship?


Nope, but Tennessee should get one for his son's efforts
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:32 pm to
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Can we have a Dooley Scholarship


IIRC, the NCAA has said they won't allow new ones, but Bryant Scholarships are grand-fathered in. FTR, the scholarships go to kids of Bryant's former players the overwhelming majority of which don't play sports

But, yes, you can start a Dooley scholarship you just won't get the exemption from the NCAA
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:33 pm to
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Except this would be a recruited athlete


You would think so but the NCAA defines a recruited athlete as one who takes an official visit or is visited by coaches off campus IIRC
Posted by AMM AU9893
Auburn, AL
Member since Feb 2011
13789 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:34 pm to
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You would think so but the NCAA defines a recruited athlete as one who takes an official visit or is visited by coaches off campus IIRC

How can you define "recruited"?

If a kid is committed, he was recruited.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 4:35 pm
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:35 pm to
NCAA rule book has a definition for everything
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25872 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:36 pm to
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You would think so but the NCAA defines a recruited athlete as one who takes an official visit or is visited by coaches off campus IIRC

That's a pretty outdated definition of a recruited athlete. This would fit the NCAA pretty well, of course
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79123 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:37 pm to
20 years from now, Auburn will have the Jake Holland scholarship designated for 1 white linebacker per year.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:39 pm to
And the definition that Trey posted says that the prospect can be recruited and still not be a counter so I could well be wrong about that
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
13362 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 4:47 pm to
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IIRC, the NCAA has said they won't allow new ones, but Bryant Scholarships are grand-fathered in. FTR, the scholarships go to kids of Bryant's former players the overwhelming majority of which don't play sports

But, yes, you can start a Dooley scholarship you just won't get the exemption from the NCAA

And this is one more reason to add to the list of why the NCAA is crooked and needs to go. If one school can then they all should be able to.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 4:48 pm
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 5:05 pm to
That's a fair point. I don't think the Bryant Scholarship is the only one out there though. I think there were others that were grand-fathered in.

At any rate, I doubt there will be many, if any, more since the youngest of Bear's former players are getting up there in age
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72175 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 5:15 pm to
Let me guess, a thread full of those questioning the Bryant Scholarship? It is available to all kids of former players than played for Bryant. Athlete and non-athlete alike. And for a bit of trivia, there's actually one kid that got the scholarship who's father didn't play for Bryant. He played at TCU and was injured against Alabama in 1974, Kent Waldrep.

LINK
Posted by jatebe
Queen of Links
Member since Oct 2008
18284 posts
Posted on 7/30/13 at 5:15 pm to
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What the frick is this shite?


quote:

Explaining the Bryant Scholarship

Matt Scalici TideSports.com

With a month to go before National Signing Day, many recruiting fans are anxious to learn more about various different aspects of recruiting and athletic scholarships. One issue that often leads to plenty of confusion for Crimson Tide fans is the Bryant Scholarship, a special scholarship available to the children of those who played or coached for legendary Tide head coach Paul "Bear" Bryant.

But how does the scholarship work and how does it affect the scholarship numbers on the football team if a player attends UA on the Bryant Scholarship?

According to the UA Athletic Department, the Bryant Scholarship is not considered a sports scholarship since the criteria of the scholarship are not based on athletics. It is awarded to any student (athlete or non-athlete, male or female) whose father played or coached for Coach Bryant.

Under NCAA regulations, the Bryant Scholarship technically qualifies as Institutional Financial Aid under NCAA Bylaw 15.02.1, which defines "financial aid that is administered by an institution, if the institution, through its regular committee or other agency for the awarding of financial aid to students generally, makes the final determination of the student-athlete who is to receive the award and of its value."

For those who don't speak NCAA, that means that since the Bryant Scholarship can only be used by students to pay for their education at Alabama and no other school, it's considered institutional aid.

If a football player has already received a full athletic scholarship, he cannot accept the Bryant Scholarship since it would put him over the financial aid limit for an individual student.

The biggest question many fans have regarding the Bryant Scholarship is whether or not a player attending UA on the Bryant Scholarship counts against Alabama's scholarship limitations. The answer comes down to one factor: was the player recruited by Alabama's coaches?

According to UA, if the player in question is a walk-on football player who was not recruited by UA's coaches, that player will never count against Alabama's scholarship numbers, even if he plays in every game for all four years.

If the player was a recruited walk-on, a student-athlete who was recruited by Alabama's coaches and who receives the Bryant Scholarship, that player does not count against Alabama's scholarship numbers until he sees playing time.

The NCAA makes the determination of whether or not a player should be considered "recruited", and each individual player is judged on a case-by-case basis.


LINK

It's an academic scholarship for both male and female offspring for all of Coach Bryant's players. Joe Namath's daughters and Kenny Stabler's daughter used the Bryant scholarship.
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