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Would you accept Notre Dame in the SEC?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:11 pm
The biggest brand outside of the P2.
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:13 pm to BuckI
Damn right! They bring a lot of revenue and brand recognition.
We could boot Missouri and bring them in for 2025
We could boot Missouri and bring them in for 2025
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:14 pm to BuckI
I would, but I’m sure I’m not in the norm.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:15 pm to BuckI
Im sure the sec would let them in but they would never fit culturally. They would want out in a couple years because of the bullys
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:15 pm to BuckI
frick Notre Dame, hell no.
But I can make a list of "SEC teams" they can take with them to make a new conference if you want.
But I can make a list of "SEC teams" they can take with them to make a new conference if you want.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:18 pm to 3down10
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But I can make a list of "SEC teams" they can take with them to make a new conference if you want.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:18 pm to BuckI
Notre Dame is the only team I could get excited about adding at this point.
Worth noting I was (and still am) excited about adding TX and OU…. I’m not for adding FSU or Clemson however.
Worth noting I was (and still am) excited about adding TX and OU…. I’m not for adding FSU or Clemson however.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:20 pm to BuckI
No, but as a TN fan I miss playing them occasionally, but would rather keep it OOC.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:22 pm to BuckI
And for the record, just adding good teams to a conference is dumb.
All conference records equal out to .500. It doesn't matter how good your teams are, that's always going to be the result.
Which is to say there is always going to be a limited amount of success. There can only be 1 conference champion every year etc. There is always going to be a Vanderbilt. Remove Vanderbilt, and a new basement team is going to take their place.
Take the 12 best teams in the country and put them in a single conference, and in 15 years one of them is going to be the Vanderbilt of the conference. Attendance will drop, nobody will spend NIL for losers.
Limited success, it's not optional.
The SEC as a conference will still have it's champion and sure that champion is likely going to be damn good and have a great chance to win the national championship. And with playoffs, multiple teams even. But I'm not a "SEC Fan". I'm a fan of a team in the SEC.
People running the show are short sighted and blinded by contract numbers.
On the bright side, it takes a few years for shite like that to happen, so should be good match ups for awhile.
All conference records equal out to .500. It doesn't matter how good your teams are, that's always going to be the result.
Which is to say there is always going to be a limited amount of success. There can only be 1 conference champion every year etc. There is always going to be a Vanderbilt. Remove Vanderbilt, and a new basement team is going to take their place.
Take the 12 best teams in the country and put them in a single conference, and in 15 years one of them is going to be the Vanderbilt of the conference. Attendance will drop, nobody will spend NIL for losers.
Limited success, it's not optional.
The SEC as a conference will still have it's champion and sure that champion is likely going to be damn good and have a great chance to win the national championship. And with playoffs, multiple teams even. But I'm not a "SEC Fan". I'm a fan of a team in the SEC.
People running the show are short sighted and blinded by contract numbers.
On the bright side, it takes a few years for shite like that to happen, so should be good match ups for awhile.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:26 pm to 3down10
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:36 pm to AUTiger789
Hmmmmm, I can see the aspect of adding a much-hated purportedly national power like Notre Dame would make for some much publicized regular season SEC games if they were admitted to the SEC. Lots of hype and TV ratings would come with a Bama vs ND regular season SEC contest. That could be fun.
However, the historical regional aspect of the conference would be further watered down. Auburn has already lost regular contests with LSU, Miss State, etc…that provided many classic games and lifetime memories for students and fans. If ND was admitted that would put those games on a further out rotational basis, so,…..NO to Notre Dame.
Additionally, I like the idea of in-state rivals being in the SEC; Florida-FSU and Clemson-USC should be in-conference games. So teams like this should be included before Notre Dame.
However, the historical regional aspect of the conference would be further watered down. Auburn has already lost regular contests with LSU, Miss State, etc…that provided many classic games and lifetime memories for students and fans. If ND was admitted that would put those games on a further out rotational basis, so,…..NO to Notre Dame.
Additionally, I like the idea of in-state rivals being in the SEC; Florida-FSU and Clemson-USC should be in-conference games. So teams like this should be included before Notre Dame.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:48 pm to BuckI
Biggest brand in college football
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:58 pm to 3down10
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And for the record, just adding good teams to a conference is dumb.
All conference records equal out to .500. It doesn't matter how good your teams are, that's always going to be the result.
While I understand what you are saying.. my argument is SEC Baseball..
The SEC is by far the hardest baseball conference in the country..
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check out these stats since 2021 (3 years)
3 different teams won the NC
LSU 2023
Ole Miss 2022
Miss State 2021
3 different teams lost the NC
Florida 2023
Oklahoma 2022
Vanderbilt 2021
3 different teams finished tied for 3rd
Texas A&M 2022
Arkansas 2022
Texas 2021
2 different teams won a game in Omaha
Tennessee 2023
Auburn 2022
3 different teams made it to Super Regionals
South Carolina - 2023 SR
Kentucky - 2023 SR
Alabama - 2023 SR
1 different team might host this year
Georgia - RPI is 11th in 2024
That is 15 of 16 teams kicking arse since 2021.. so it can work out quite good despite how hard it is.. If you want to take Texas and OU out of the argument.. that is still 13 of 14 teams kicking arse..
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:09 pm to swinetime
quote:They would fit as well as Missouri.
they would never fit culturally.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:17 pm to BuckI
Why not - large alum base, money, and they’d replace Texas and Oklahoma on the SECRant most ridiculed team.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:23 pm to BigBro
quote:
3 different teams won the NC
LSU 2023
Ole Miss 2022
Miss State 2021
3 different teams lost the NC
Florida 2023
Oklahoma 2022
Vanderbilt 2021
3 different teams finished tied for 3rd
Texas A&M 2022
Arkansas 2022
Texas 2021
2 different teams won a game in Omaha
Tennessee 2023
Auburn 2022
3 different teams made it to Super Regionals
South Carolina - 2023 SR
Kentucky - 2023 SR
Alabama - 2023 SR
1 different team might host this year
Georgia - RPI is 11th in 2024
That is 15 of 16 teams kicking arse since 2021.. so it can work out quite good despite how hard it is.. If you want to take Texas and OU out of the argument.. that is still 13 of 14 teams kicking arse..
Like I said, the conference champion is pretty much guaranteed to be really damn good. And with the playoffs, multiple teams. It's not a question of if the conference itself will produce good teams, it will.
It's more about what it means for the individual teams. Like if you take the top12 teams in the country, then even though they are the best 12 teams, at least 1/3 of those teams is going to have a losing record. Even if every one of them could beat #13 and beyond no problem, they still have a losing record. They wouldn't be ranked, they wouldn't make the playoffs, they wouldn't make a bowl game.
Or worse, they beat each other up and you get 12 4 and 5 loss teams that all get left out.
Someone has to be the donkey. How many losing seasons can Texas take before it's like frick this? Your easy wins are gone. And I'm not picking on Texas here, it applies to all. More good teams you add, worse it gets.
Best way to help is OOC games and having a good variety of team strength. So it really needs to stay at 8 games max. Then you get 4 games to bring in more wins etc.
Things were pretty much perfect with 12 teams per conference and 8 game schedules.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:23 pm to BuckI
Yes
Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:28 pm to BuckI
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The biggest brand outside of the P2.
When we genuinely become the Power-2 superconferences it won't matter. At that point, we will be signing up a ton of teams to fill everyone's Power 2 schedule. Notre Dame will be part of the football fodder.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:44 pm to BuckI
Notre Dame needs to go save the ACC.
They need to take Penn State with them and that would be a pretty dang good conference.
Think about this.
Notre Dame
Penn State
Miami
Clem
Wvu
Vt
Pitt
Carolina
State
Duke
UVA
Gt
Louisville
Wake
They need to take Penn State with them and that would be a pretty dang good conference.
Think about this.
Notre Dame
Penn State
Miami
Clem
Wvu
Vt
Pitt
Carolina
State
Duke
UVA
Gt
Louisville
Wake
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:46 pm to BuckI
I’d recommend leaving it if they let Notre Dame in.
Surest way to frick up the conference us have them anywhere near it. They’d insist on everything being done their way because they’re special.
Surest way to frick up the conference us have them anywhere near it. They’d insist on everything being done their way because they’re special.
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