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re: Would Eliminating 1-n-Done Improve SEC Basketball?
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:10 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:10 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Obviously if you're not a top program you're going to have to take a chance on a potential up and comer or find someone that has a few blemishes. But you also have to be willing to cut bait to prevent a further decline.
This is all true but it just seems harder to identify these guys now than it has in the past
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Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:10 pm to everytrueson
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They shouldn't be free developmental leagues either.
Alabama being a developmental league has produced high enrollment #'s, new buildings across campus, higher academic standards, and greatly improved the local economy.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:12 pm to RTR America
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They shouldn't be free developmental leagues either.
Alabama being a developmental league has produced high enrollment #'s, new buildings across campus, higher academic standards, and greatly improved the local economy.
I edited before you posted. I don't disagree with the benefits to the universities. I just would like see more student-athletes finish their degree.
FWIW I am not surprised that a bama fan would laugh about that either...
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:13 pm to BluegrassBelle
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If you do what the OP suggests, Davis likely never plays college ball.
I would assume the NBA rule would work the same as the NFL meaning guys would essentially play in college or go to Europe? Do you think Davis would have choosen Europe over 2-3 years at Kentucky
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:15 pm to undecided
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I would assume the NBA rule would work the same as the NFL meaning guys would essentially play in college or go to Europe? Do you think Davis would have choosen Europe over 2-3 years at Kentucky
I misread and thought you were talking about eliminating the one and done all together like it used to be.
He'd probably stay 2 years at Kentucky in that scenario.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:16 pm to undecided
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Do you think Davis would have choosen Europe over 2-3 years at Kentucky
Umm do I risk getting injured while playing for free or do I risk getting injured while getting paid in Europe? This is an easy answer.
Besides if you are asking the NCAA to enforce this rule then they would still be one and done overseas.
Edit: If you are only talking two years then you would probably see them stay here.
This post was edited on 2/23/14 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:18 pm to BluegrassBelle
I think basketball as a sport would benefit from the elimination of the 1 and done. There's no focus on fundamentals or technique because guys are so focused on going pro and teams are so desperate for the next great player.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:21 pm to undecided
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There's no focus on fundamentals or technique because guys are so focused on going pro and teams are so desperate for the next great player.
Honestly, that's more of an AAU issue then it is a NCAA one and done issue. You can only "fix" so much in a year or even two years. Poor fundamentals are a direct effect of AAU leagues who don't "teach" basketball. They're just there for the shoe money that comes with the highlight reels.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:22 pm to undecided
This
Does not equal this
If you truly want to fix this issue then you need to look at the AAU circuit as the real issue. Some of the best NBA players of all time either never went to college or spent limited time there. Kobe Bryant wouldn't have been a better player if he had spent 2 or 3 years in college. The problem is that some guys get bad advice about coming out earlier then they should, which is an issue in CFB as well.
LeBron James and Kevin Durant are both 6'8" plus. They both can shoot it an extremely efficient level, handle the ball, make tremendous passes, and rebound at a high level. One spend zero time in college and the other only spent one year there.
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I think basketball as a sport would benefit from the elimination of the 1 and done.
Does not equal this
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There's no focus on fundamentals or technique because guys are so focused on going pro and teams are so desperate for the next great player.
If you truly want to fix this issue then you need to look at the AAU circuit as the real issue. Some of the best NBA players of all time either never went to college or spent limited time there. Kobe Bryant wouldn't have been a better player if he had spent 2 or 3 years in college. The problem is that some guys get bad advice about coming out earlier then they should, which is an issue in CFB as well.
LeBron James and Kevin Durant are both 6'8" plus. They both can shoot it an extremely efficient level, handle the ball, make tremendous passes, and rebound at a high level. One spend zero time in college and the other only spent one year there.
This post was edited on 2/23/14 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:22 pm to RTR America
What's the incentive for football players for not just sitting out the 3 years? The lack of NFL developmental leagues I guess?
Pretty sure there would be an all out war of Goddell suddenly decided to create developmental leagues with an entry age of 18 in states like Alabama and Texas
Pretty sure there would be an all out war of Goddell suddenly decided to create developmental leagues with an entry age of 18 in states like Alabama and Texas
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:25 pm to RTR America
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Umm do I risk getting injured while playing for free or do I risk getting injured while getting paid in Europe? This is an easy answer.
Besides if you are asking the NCAA to enforce this rule then they would still be one and done overseas.
Edit: If you are only talking two years then you would probably see them stay here.
I think you cant sit here and say for sure Davis would have gone to Europe. I tihnk for sure more top recruits would go to Europe if it was 2 and done or 3 and done but it would be at MOST a couple to a few kids every class, not handfuls. Have to understand 2 things - these kids grew up in America (mostly) and Europe is a VERY DIFFERENT place. Secondly, and I hate to bring this up, but many places in Europe are not very friendly to darker skinned folks. Imagine Marcus Smart trying to play ball in some Eastern European countries. Brawls every night.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:26 pm to BluegrassBelle
I didn't want to open the "AAU" can of worms but I agree that it has also had a negative impact but with the money of the show companies involved it's a genie/bottle type situation that I don't think anyone has a solution for.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:27 pm to undecided
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What's the incentive for football players for not just sitting out the 3 years? The lack of NFL developmental leagues I guess?
Exactly. That step up from high school to the NFL is way too huge for a guy physically and mentally is too much without time spent in college. Sure there are the occasional guys who could probably do it, but it is much more rare than in basketball.
Plus the NBA can usually afford developing a guy, while he uses his athleticism or other skill sets to make a difference. Blake Griffin is a good example. He has been a great player in the NBA with a sort of limited skill set, so the Clippers have a shooting coach on staff that works strictly with Blake. You can see the difference already this season. It allows them to take that next step.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:29 pm to thunderbird1100
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think you cant sit here and say for sure Davis would have gone to Europe. I tihnk for sure more top recruits would go to Europe if it was 2 and done or 3 and done but it would be at MOST a couple to a few kids every class, not handfuls. Have to understand 2 things - these kids grew up in America (mostly) and Europe is a VERY DIFFERENT place. Secondly, and I hate to bring this up, but many places in Europe are not very friendly to darker skinned folks. Imagine Marcus Smart trying to play ball in some Eastern European countries. Brawls every night.
I actually think you would see the more guys going straight to the NBA's D League than overseas honestly.
Depending on the possible contracts of course. Plus this is a limited number of guys we are talking about. Guys who honestly don't need college in the first place.
This post was edited on 2/23/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:31 pm to RTR America
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LeBron James and Kevin Durant are both 6'8" plus. They both can shoot it an extremely efficient level, handle the ball, make tremendous passes, and rebound at a high level. One spend zero time in college and the other only spent one year there.
How long has Lebron been playing? Same with Durant? They've put a lot of time into developing their skills over the years and have very high Baskeball I.Q's to go along with their God given talent.
Unfortunately, for a lot of these guys coming out they lack the natural abilities of a Lebron or Durant to cover for them until they fully develop their game and are out of the league sooner than they should be
*see you made the same point above re: Blake Griffin
This post was edited on 2/23/14 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:32 pm to undecided
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Would Eliminating 1-n-Done Improve SEC Basketball?
Well yeah. It would improve college basketball as a whole because you're keeping the most talented young players in the country longer.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:32 pm to undecided
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I didn't want to open the "AAU" can of worms but I agree that it has also had a negative impact but with the money of the show companies involved it's a genie/bottle type situation that I don't think anyone has a solution for.
I do. Play less games. When I played AAU some times you would end up playing 7-10 games a week. Cut that time down and let players spend more time with their high school programs or spend more time practicing with the AAU team. Practicing with the AAU team is a little more difficult cause you have guys on teams that live 2 or 3 hours away pretty often.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 3:33 pm to undecided
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How long has Lebron been playing? Same with Durant? They've put a lot of time into developing their skills over the years and have very high Baskeball I.Q's to go along with their God given talent.
They both benefitted from playing at elite level high school programs.
Posted on 2/23/14 at 4:18 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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just have the same rule as baseball.
This is the answer right here. It would greatly improve the sport on both the collegiate and professional level
Posted on 2/23/14 at 4:24 pm to Cockopotamus
The baseball rule would benefit everyone honestly. Players get the real deal on where they'd be drafted (preventing some from coming out earlier than they should) and then you have stability on the college end.
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