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Posted on 11/14/13 at 7:46 am to EKG
Posted on 11/14/13 at 7:46 am to EKG
116,000 links and you refuse to believe. hey. I am NOT a Manziel hater...nor do I love him. He is a great college QB, that might become a great NFL QB. If he wins, you can bet he deserves it. I just think they will try to keep him from winning.
It's nothing personal against him or A&M.
It's nothing personal against him or A&M.
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Posted on 11/14/13 at 7:48 am to DoverDawg
Mike Davis starts his dark horse charging this weekend.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 7:48 am to DawgsLife
I didn't take it personally.
I just smiled at your previous statement, articulated as if it were fact.
I just smiled at your previous statement, articulated as if it were fact.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 7:48 am to TeLeFaWx
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Really? Because they all tune in to watch. You not gonna watch any more of Manziel this season?
I've only watched one game of yours this season. The Alabama game. He might win it. This is only my opinion. I don't have a vote! You guys need to chill!
I just think the media will do their best to keep it out of the SEC this year, and I think he hurt himself with the voters in the off season...justifiably or not.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 7:50 am to EKG
That's why I put the IMO in there. In my opinion.
Perhaps I should have placed it at the end to be more clear that I considered my whole post just an opinion. But, for the most part, that is all we see on this board...opinions.
Perhaps I should have placed it at the end to be more clear that I considered my whole post just an opinion. But, for the most part, that is all we see on this board...opinions.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 7:51 am to Foolish cock
Davis made a believer out of me when we played you guys. I'm not sure he will have the yards to convince the voters, though. Nothing against him....he's good.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 7:55 am to DawgsLife
This link was one of the links in your link and it kinda indicates you may have a valid point. FYI, idgas either whether he wins or not.
Jff's popularity takes a hit
and it kinda indicates you may have a valid point. FYI, idgas either whether he wins or not. Jff's popularity takes a hit
Posted on 11/14/13 at 7:57 am to CowsGoBark
Unless someone comes up with a Winston autograph or proof that he skipped out early on Archie's QB school, or was a member of a team that won multiple MNC's, Manziel doesn't have a chance.
After all, aren't those the main considerations of the Heisman?
After all, aren't those the main considerations of the Heisman?
Posted on 11/14/13 at 7:58 am to piggilicious
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September 23, 2013
Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:02 am to EKG
Yes I saw the date and I get your counter that opinions can change during the season. I'm not saying it's right to deny him if he deserves it but it's possible it may happen.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:06 am to piggilicious
Absolutely, it's possible.
Bottom line: No one has a clue.
We were told last year--up until the night of the award ceremony--that Manti Te'o was the lead vote getter.
Not unlike college recruiting, I've given up trying to figure it out.
Bottom line: No one has a clue.
We were told last year--up until the night of the award ceremony--that Manti Te'o was the lead vote getter.
Not unlike college recruiting, I've given up trying to figure it out.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:07 am to piggilicious
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This link was one of the links in your link and it kinda indicates you may have a valid point. FYI, idgas either whether he wins or not.
Thanks, Piggilicious! I mainly glanced at the links I provided.
I DID notice when I glanced that a LOT of the stories were written before the season started, and people tend to have short memories when a sports star begins to put up big numbers.....and Manziel has put up some impressive numbers!
Guys...don't get me wrong! I am not saying Manziel does not deserve it. I am simply saying I think they will try to keep a SEC player from getting it, unless the numbers are too overwhelming. What he did to the Alabama defense alone should have him in the running.
Again. IMO.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:08 am to agswin
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After all, aren't those the main considerations of the Heisman?
Of course not. but given equal stats or even ALMOST nearly equal stats it plays a part, don't you think? Honestly?
Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:10 am to EKG
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Absolutely, it's possible.
Bottom line: No one has a clue.
We were told last year--up until the night of the award ceremony--that Manti Te'o was the lead vote getter.
Not unlike college recruiting, I've given up trying to figure it out.
Isn't THAT the truth!
I must admit, that I tend to pull against the overhyped player. I was ecstatic that Teo didn't get it! Imagine if he did get it, though. Do you think the story of his imaginary girlfriend would have come out?
Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:11 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:14 am to EKG
Here is the Heisman Mission Statement:
JFF's integrity is certainly questionable considering his off the field actions and the fact that he's already profited off his celebrity status with the autograph brokers, along with other off-field behavior which is well known and with behavior which is not well known (appetite for nose candy).
Baylor's Brice Petty has a higher QB rating, has thrown for only 1 int all year and has no losses. JFF on the other hand has 2 home losses where his decision making on the field was a major contribution to both losses.
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The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support amateur athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted. All assets of the Trust beyond the expense of maintaining the annual presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy are reserved for such charitable causes. The Trustees, who all serve pro bono, are guided by a devotion to college football and are committed to community service and the valued tradition which the Trophy represents.
JFF's integrity is certainly questionable considering his off the field actions and the fact that he's already profited off his celebrity status with the autograph brokers, along with other off-field behavior which is well known and with behavior which is not well known (appetite for nose candy).
Baylor's Brice Petty has a higher QB rating, has thrown for only 1 int all year and has no losses. JFF on the other hand has 2 home losses where his decision making on the field was a major contribution to both losses.
Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:17 am to EKG
Yeah, I agree with everyone who thinks Manziel wasn't in the lead or even deserves to be in the lead. It's not like that stats support that claim or anything...
Total Yards:
1. Manziel (3,924)
2. Mariota (3,026)
3. Winston (2,818)
4. Petty (2,775)
5. AJ (2,019)
Total Yards Per Game:
1. Manziel (392.4)
2. Petty (346.9)
3. Mariota (336.2)
4. Winston (313.1)
5. AJ (224.3)
Total Passing Yards:
1. Manziel (3,313)
2. Winston (2,661)
3. Petty (2,657)
4. Mariota (2,531)
5. AJ (2,041)
Passing Yards Per Game:
1. Petty (332.1)
2. Manziel (331.3)
3. Winston (295.7)
4. Mariota (281)
5. AJ (226.7)
Total Rushing Yards:
1. Manziel (611)
2. Mariota (495)
3. Winston (157)
4. Petty (118)
5. AJ (-22)
Rushing Yards per Game:
1. Manziel (61)
2. Mariota (55)
3. Winston (17)
4. Petty (15)
5. AJ (negative 2)
Total TD's:
1. Manziel (39)
2. Mariota (31)
3. Winston (29)
3. Petty (29)
5. AJ (19)
Passing TD's:
1. Manziel (31)
2. Winston (26)
3. Mariota (22)
4. Petty (21)
5. AJ (19)
Rushing TD's:
1. Mariota (9)
2. Manziel (8)
2. Petty (8)
4. Winston (3)
5. AJ (zero)
Avg. TD's Per Game:
1. Manziel (3.9)
2. Petty (3.6)
3. Mariota (3.4)
4. Winston (3.2)
5. AJ (2.1)
Completion Percentage:
1. Manziel (230/315 = 73%)
2. McCarron (159/229 = 69.4%)
3. Winston (166/240 = 69.2%)
4. Petty (135/202 = 66.8%)
5. Mariota (164/259 = 63%)
Interception per Pass Attempt Ratio:
1. Mariota ( 0/259 = 0)
2. Petty ( 1/202 = 0.495%)
3. AJ ( 3/229 = 1.31%)
4. Winston ( 7/240 = 2.92%)
5. Manziel ( 11/315 = 3.49%)
The defense is awful, and Manziel has to try to make every play he can and has forced a few passes. That is his fault, agreed.
The fact is: put Manziel as QB of FSU and they are still undefeated. Give A&M FSUs D and they are undefeated.
Put Winston in Manziel's spot at QB and they lose to Ole Miss.
Now, to be fair, I think Manziel needs to come out and have good games against both LSU and Mizzou to cap off his year.
Total Yards:
1. Manziel (3,924)
2. Mariota (3,026)
3. Winston (2,818)
4. Petty (2,775)
5. AJ (2,019)
Total Yards Per Game:
1. Manziel (392.4)
2. Petty (346.9)
3. Mariota (336.2)
4. Winston (313.1)
5. AJ (224.3)
Total Passing Yards:
1. Manziel (3,313)
2. Winston (2,661)
3. Petty (2,657)
4. Mariota (2,531)
5. AJ (2,041)
Passing Yards Per Game:
1. Petty (332.1)
2. Manziel (331.3)
3. Winston (295.7)
4. Mariota (281)
5. AJ (226.7)
Total Rushing Yards:
1. Manziel (611)
2. Mariota (495)
3. Winston (157)
4. Petty (118)
5. AJ (-22)
Rushing Yards per Game:
1. Manziel (61)
2. Mariota (55)
3. Winston (17)
4. Petty (15)
5. AJ (negative 2)
Total TD's:
1. Manziel (39)
2. Mariota (31)
3. Winston (29)
3. Petty (29)
5. AJ (19)
Passing TD's:
1. Manziel (31)
2. Winston (26)
3. Mariota (22)
4. Petty (21)
5. AJ (19)
Rushing TD's:
1. Mariota (9)
2. Manziel (8)
2. Petty (8)
4. Winston (3)
5. AJ (zero)
Avg. TD's Per Game:
1. Manziel (3.9)
2. Petty (3.6)
3. Mariota (3.4)
4. Winston (3.2)
5. AJ (2.1)
Completion Percentage:
1. Manziel (230/315 = 73%)
2. McCarron (159/229 = 69.4%)
3. Winston (166/240 = 69.2%)
4. Petty (135/202 = 66.8%)
5. Mariota (164/259 = 63%)
Interception per Pass Attempt Ratio:
1. Mariota ( 0/259 = 0)
2. Petty ( 1/202 = 0.495%)
3. AJ ( 3/229 = 1.31%)
4. Winston ( 7/240 = 2.92%)
5. Manziel ( 11/315 = 3.49%)
The defense is awful, and Manziel has to try to make every play he can and has forced a few passes. That is his fault, agreed.
The fact is: put Manziel as QB of FSU and they are still undefeated. Give A&M FSUs D and they are undefeated.
Put Winston in Manziel's spot at QB and they lose to Ole Miss.
Now, to be fair, I think Manziel needs to come out and have good games against both LSU and Mizzou to cap off his year.
This post was edited on 11/14/13 at 8:20 am
Posted on 11/14/13 at 8:24 am to Big12fan
Oh, look who it is.
To what specific off the field actions are you referring?
To what specific off the field actions are you referring?
Posted on 11/14/13 at 9:28 am to Big12fan
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Baylor's Brice Petty has a higher QB rating, has thrown for only 1 int all year and has no losses.
I think I've seen everything now. A texas fan pumping up a baylor player? WTF is going on? Is this the end times?
Posted on 11/14/13 at 9:32 am to CowsGoBark
It's gonna be all over the news by the time the NC game rolls around. Watch.
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