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re: Will the Spread offense eventually die out?
Posted on 1/23/14 at 8:26 am to cardboardboxer
Posted on 1/23/14 at 8:26 am to cardboardboxer
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The Spread is a talent equalizer
This is why it won't die.
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Posted on 1/23/14 at 8:35 am to robyman
There is a distinct difference between the 'spread' (a broad term) and the offenses you named that have mostly gone away. (Also, 'smash mouth' can refer to the I formation just as much as the wishbone, so not sure what you're working after with that one.)
The triple option, wishbone, and wing T aren't as common for a few reasons. 1) Defensive linemen and linebackers are bigger, faster, stronger. Today's middle LB's weight as much as yesterday's fullback. 2) Receivers and quarterbacks (not to mention schemes and formations) have come a long way, so passing is more viable.
You can't blow up a spread like you can the triple option, because a true spread allows you too many courses of action. Run well, with the appropriate personnel, it's just as dangerous as pro-style. It's not going away. (Sorry.)
The triple option, wishbone, and wing T aren't as common for a few reasons. 1) Defensive linemen and linebackers are bigger, faster, stronger. Today's middle LB's weight as much as yesterday's fullback. 2) Receivers and quarterbacks (not to mention schemes and formations) have come a long way, so passing is more viable.
You can't blow up a spread like you can the triple option, because a true spread allows you too many courses of action. Run well, with the appropriate personnel, it's just as dangerous as pro-style. It's not going away. (Sorry.)
Posted on 1/23/14 at 9:08 am to polydorr
I think what we'll see more and more of is "multiple" or "hybrid" offenses, similar to what Malzahn runs. They can either run power plays up the middle or stretch it wide to the outside, spread it 5 WR wide or run play action sets and everything in between. They adapt and change as to the personnel they have and what the defense gives them in any given game.
And no matter what kind of offense Malzahn runs, he's always going to rely on a play action running game, and build everything else around that. And this will never change - any offense can be successful with a great offensive line.
I think more teams will start to go up tempo too. Maybe not super fast up tempo, but they'll speed things up to try to get an advantage over the defense.
And no matter what kind of offense Malzahn runs, he's always going to rely on a play action running game, and build everything else around that. And this will never change - any offense can be successful with a great offensive line.
I think more teams will start to go up tempo too. Maybe not super fast up tempo, but they'll speed things up to try to get an advantage over the defense.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 9:10 am to robyman
I don't believe it will die out altogether but it will become less popular as teams focus more on recruiting defensive players who are capable of playing in space.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 9:20 am to robyman
No it's not going to die out. All those offenses you listed are still around in some form or fashion. Trends come and go offensively but never truly die out.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:07 am to cardboardboxer
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The Spread is a talent equalizer. Until some great defensive genius beats it (without multiple top 10 classes) it is here to stay.
What about Stanford? They've fared well in a conference full of high powered and spread offenses.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:19 am to Gardevoir
Rule changes favoring offense and the overall direction of football may ensure the spread HUNH offense stays around for awhile. Unfortunately IMHO
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:15 am to STUPIDFACE
It may change form, but it'll be around in some way or another. Any offense that makes you play 11 on 11 is bound to be around in some fashion.
Honestly the only thing that I've really seen die is the classic QB under center, two backs split, two receiver, old style pro set. I haven't seen that formation in a while. I'm sure someone, somewhere is using it, but I haven't seen anyone line up like that in a long while.
Honestly the only thing that I've really seen die is the classic QB under center, two backs split, two receiver, old style pro set. I haven't seen that formation in a while. I'm sure someone, somewhere is using it, but I haven't seen anyone line up like that in a long while.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:41 am to Gardevoir
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What about Stanford? They've fared well in a conference full of high powered and spread offenses.
Or LSU recently. There are certainly examples of how to shut it down. The problem is in both cases there is no easy "trick" - the secret of these programs is good coaching and recruiting to play against the spread.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 12:01 pm to DocHog
quote:This is correct, and is what's happened to LSU to some extent. We can completely shut down Manziel or crush Auburn when bama could not, yet we run into trouble with power-run teams like bama. As more defenses adapt to this model, more pro-style teams will become successful, and more teams will subsequently structure themselves around that. Thus the cycle.
As more SEC teams trend towards defending the spread, it will be difficult for them to retool and prepare for power football/ more smash-mouth offenses that see only a few times a year.
Those light, quick DLs will be crushed by road-grader OLs.
Personally, I'm glad that Miles hasn't sold out to the spread. We kinda halfway tried it with Crowton, but did not have the right players (or the right OC, for that matter), so it was a disaster. I don't want the roster to be full of guys that are geared towards such a specific system. It does not allow you to adjust to how the opponent is attacking you on defense. You're stuck with what you have, and if you get figured out, that's it. There is no "imposing your will" on a defense in that scenario like there is with the power run game.
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