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Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:41 am to Darth Slive
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UF in his first game and LSU.
Well, I don't wear jorts.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:42 am to ProjectP2294
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Well, I don't wear jorts.
That's a positive right there!
Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:44 am to t - cam
he has my vote!
Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:45 am to Darth Slive
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That's a positive right there!
Obviously.
I really think Johnny Football is a ridiculous talent. And he's got a helluva future in front of him. I just don't think this is his Heisman year. It's so much about coming up big in big games, and he only did that in one of three.
It doesn't have anything to do with my LSU fanhood (seriously).
Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:49 am to ProjectP2294
so who?
Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:50 am to ProjectP2294
Who would you give it to?
Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:50 am to ProjectP2294
And what other candidates have come up big in their big games? And not been mediocre in any of their other games?
Teo did nothing today against Wake Forest.
Barner did nothing against Stanford
Miller was not great today against WI
Lee will be on an unranked 5 loss team.
Teo did nothing today against Wake Forest.
Barner did nothing against Stanford
Miller was not great today against WI
Lee will be on an unranked 5 loss team.
This post was edited on 11/18/12 at 1:51 am
Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:52 am to GamerAg
ProjectPatty is talking out of her arse
Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:53 am to t - cam
Should be Johnny/Te'o/McCarron at the top after tonight, still time for that to change. Maybe Johnny chokes, Te'o loses ND the game, and AJ breaks records against UGA....
then I wake up.
then I wake up.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:54 am to GamerAg
Yall should coordinate. I realize that you take offense to anyone not constantly ball washing Manziel, but shite, it's not the end of the world for someone to think he's not the best player in the country.
I don't need 14 people to ask me the same question within 2 minutes of each other, especially when I probably won't answer it anyway.
I don't need 14 people to ask me the same question within 2 minutes of each other, especially when I probably won't answer it anyway.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:55 am to ProjectP2294
I'm not saying this to discredit anyone winning the Heisman this year, but it's not exactly a huge year for star players in general. Lot of very good players out there, but will likely be a lot spread out votes and no run away winner.
Media plays into when it comes down to the final weeks, and Klein will see the effect of it negatively while Manziel rides a wave of momentum from the Bama game. I believe they are more likely to give it to a Freshman than a Defender that doesn't play special teams. They softened to sophomores, so Freshman will be that way eventually.
Lot of pressure on him though, he wins it that early and still has 3 years to live up to that standard. I don't think he leaves early, so I think it's 3 more years. It won't be another Archie Griffin situation as in they feel "obligated" to give him another because he was a returning player with good stats...
Media plays into when it comes down to the final weeks, and Klein will see the effect of it negatively while Manziel rides a wave of momentum from the Bama game. I believe they are more likely to give it to a Freshman than a Defender that doesn't play special teams. They softened to sophomores, so Freshman will be that way eventually.
Lot of pressure on him though, he wins it that early and still has 3 years to live up to that standard. I don't think he leaves early, so I think it's 3 more years. It won't be another Archie Griffin situation as in they feel "obligated" to give him another because he was a returning player with good stats...
Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:55 am to ProjectP2294
Because you can't answer it.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 1:58 am to ProjectP2294
project, who would you give it to? There's really no other option bow.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 2:02 am to MagillaGuerilla
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but it's not exactly a huge year for star players in general.
This is definitely true. I don't know Marquis Lee's stats from tonight, but I consider him the best player in the country. Someone mentioned that he won't win the HT because his team will have 5 losses. That is a valid point. But it's a valid point because the voters tie too much importance to team accomplishments when it's an individual award.
Marquis Lee can't help that his coach is semi retarded, his QB has midget hands, and his team's D coordinator is actually a dead guy being held up by popsicle sticks and bailing wire.
ETA: I pretty much hate all things Southern Cal, so saying that I think Lee is the best player in the country is me rising above my biases. Like I did when I admitted that I think Manziel is ridiculously talented as well.
This post was edited on 11/18/12 at 2:04 am
Posted on 11/18/12 at 2:07 am to Mr. Elvert
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ProjectPatty is talking out of her arse
actually projectpat is an Aggie poster. And probably my favorite, but not just because we share a similar handle, because he fricking owns people on the Poli Board.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 2:16 am to ProjectP2294
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This is definitely true. I don't know Marquis Lee's stats from tonight, but I consider him the best player in the country. Someone mentioned that he won't win the HT because his team will have 5 losses. That is a valid point. But it's a valid point because the voters tie too much importance to team accomplishments when it's an individual award.
Marquis Lee can't help that his coach is semi retarded, his QB has midget hands, and his team's D coordinator is actually a dead guy being held up by popsicle sticks and bailing wire.
ETA: I pretty much hate all things Southern Cal, so saying that I think Lee is the best player in the country is me rising above my biases. Like I did when I admitted that I think Manziel is ridiculously talented as well.
I don't think team record should completely take someone out of the running, but I don't think you should ignore it either. How great can you be if you're team is lousy/average? People still bicker over Paul Hornung's Heisman because he played on a 2 win team when he won it. He did absolutely everything, but it didn't mean anything for his team. Can you really be the best player in America if all the stuff you do doesn't make a difference in the entire point of playing the sport(winning). I'm on the fence regarding that argument still.
And I know USC isn't 2 win bad and Lee is definitely one of the top playmakers this season(he overshadowed one of the top ones from last season that was on his team). He plays a position that doesn't traditionally get a lot of credit from voters over "star" positions. He's not to blame for the losses, but that could be played against him too. How often is a game in the hands of a WR compared to a QB? The QB needs a WR, but the WR needs the QB more.
Record will always be a factor when it comes to the people who matter, that's just the way it's become. Although I think they are slowly getting back to identifying the best player and not just the best player on the best team...
This post was edited on 11/18/12 at 2:19 am
Posted on 11/18/12 at 2:39 am to MagillaGuerilla
You don't know what you have until its gone...
With that being said I would love to see how ND would be without Te'o, I think we all know where A&M would be without Manziel but I think its going to be tough for him to win it being a freshman. But I do agree that he could have better years ahead of him and if that happens then what? With those numbers how do you not give it to him again...I say wait on Manziel and give it to Te'o...that would be badass seeing a defensive player win it. Although I think ND is overrated and will get smoked in the title game I think Te'o brings more to that team than people realize. Now only if Tyrann was still with LSU and put up the same or better numbers that he did last year...that outta stir some shite up...but whatever he fcked up sucks to suck.
With that being said I would love to see how ND would be without Te'o, I think we all know where A&M would be without Manziel but I think its going to be tough for him to win it being a freshman. But I do agree that he could have better years ahead of him and if that happens then what? With those numbers how do you not give it to him again...I say wait on Manziel and give it to Te'o...that would be badass seeing a defensive player win it. Although I think ND is overrated and will get smoked in the title game I think Te'o brings more to that team than people realize. Now only if Tyrann was still with LSU and put up the same or better numbers that he did last year...that outta stir some shite up...but whatever he fcked up sucks to suck.
Posted on 11/18/12 at 2:44 am to t - cam
i think they give it to teo
Posted on 11/18/12 at 3:45 am to t - cam
No.
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