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re: Why is Auburn the only member of the "big 6" unable to sustain success?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 8:17 am to IAmReality
Posted on 4/23/14 at 8:17 am to IAmReality
Missed most of this thread, but AU's program is totally schizo. They could go 12-0 or 6-6 this year, and neither would surprise me a great deal.
Mediocre to NC in a year, back to 3-9 within 2 years, fire coach, back to NC game. It's bizarre.
Mediocre to NC in a year, back to 3-9 within 2 years, fire coach, back to NC game. It's bizarre.
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 8:23 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Auburn has been consistent since Shug.
Convicted cheats under Shug, Barfield, and skinny dippin Pat. Black book under Terry. Tubbs broke that trend and was hated by the powers that be and Pat. Then Eugene brought in Troop and back to business as usual. We will have to see about Gustav with D Craig and Gardner.
Convicted cheats under Shug, Barfield, and skinny dippin Pat. Black book under Terry. Tubbs broke that trend and was hated by the powers that be and Pat. Then Eugene brought in Troop and back to business as usual. We will have to see about Gustav with D Craig and Gardner.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 8:24 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 8:50 am to parkjas2001
Honestly, a lot of it comes from coaching snafus.
The last coach to remain long enough and good enough to keep it up was Dye. Remember, Alabama had a similar issue after Stallings left. We had three coaches who coached regular seasons; all had at least one 10-win season (Mike DuBose, 1999 & SEC Title; Fran, 2002; Shula, 2005).
Since Auburn's last run of 10-win seasons and Dye, they've had:
Terry Bowden - 1993, 1997
(Not counting Bill Oliver in this)
Tommy Tuberville - 2004, 2006 (Though to be fair, Tuberville also had 9 win seasons in 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007; he came VERY close to giving Auburn a 4-peat of 10 win seasons and 4-peat of top 10 finishes)
Gene Chizic (2010)
Guz Malzhan (2014, and ongoing)
Honestly, one COULD make the argument that Tuberville might've deserved a better shot; his record was pretty dang good (the best since Dye by a large margin) but his last season could also be seen as writing on the wall that he wasn't able to keep pace.
Gus may very well break the trend this year. I'm inclined to think so. The 10 win streak should be fairly easy, with the larger schedules; the top 10 finish may be more difficult, depending on how well the offense clicks and if the defense is really a step up from last year or not.
The last coach to remain long enough and good enough to keep it up was Dye. Remember, Alabama had a similar issue after Stallings left. We had three coaches who coached regular seasons; all had at least one 10-win season (Mike DuBose, 1999 & SEC Title; Fran, 2002; Shula, 2005).
Since Auburn's last run of 10-win seasons and Dye, they've had:
Terry Bowden - 1993, 1997
(Not counting Bill Oliver in this)
Tommy Tuberville - 2004, 2006 (Though to be fair, Tuberville also had 9 win seasons in 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007; he came VERY close to giving Auburn a 4-peat of 10 win seasons and 4-peat of top 10 finishes)
Gene Chizic (2010)
Guz Malzhan (2014, and ongoing)
Honestly, one COULD make the argument that Tuberville might've deserved a better shot; his record was pretty dang good (the best since Dye by a large margin) but his last season could also be seen as writing on the wall that he wasn't able to keep pace.
Gus may very well break the trend this year. I'm inclined to think so. The 10 win streak should be fairly easy, with the larger schedules; the top 10 finish may be more difficult, depending on how well the offense clicks and if the defense is really a step up from last year or not.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:03 am to IT_Dawg
Lol. Miami boog getting owned as usual.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:07 am to Crowknowsbest
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Missed most of this thread, but AU's program is totally schizo. They could go 12-0 or 6-6 this year, and neither would surprise me a great deal.
I'd rather have the chance at 12-0 than being a UGA fan and knowing every year we will have a let down that keeps us from the championship
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:09 am to Wallacewade04
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now explain this to your "if not for the Bear" friends
Since you and your ilk have twisted what I actually said into something I did NOT Say, let me clear it up for you.
I did NOT say "if not for the Bear". As a matter of fact, I quite clearly pointed out what factually happened while the Bear was Bama's coach.
But football (college football especially) has "eras" that any football fan is familiar with (fondly or not so fondly). The "Bear" era was one of those in southern college football. And as I *clearly* pointed out, the Bear kicked AU's arse like a red-headed step-child during that era.
Unfortunately, for you and your ilk (yet again), you enjoy repeatedly claiming HISTORIC domination of AU.
I'm so, so sorry if it hurts your feeling for me to point out that that "domination" only occurred during that singular era which I went out of my way to bring attention to.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:15 am to Irons Puppet
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So you're belittling us for becoming a more popular school to apply to? Okay, we mustn't be improving in quality then. Explain the consistent increase in average GPA and and ACT scores for me in layman's terms since I have no clue what I'm talking about after being a student worker in the office of admissions for two years of undergrad.
quote:You'd stroke out if you knew how the wealthy kids in the Montgomery private schools get immediate acceptance into AU. ACT scores/GPA be damned. They of course get immediate acceptance into Bama as well. But to insinuate that AU is so strict with their admittance standards is comical.
So I guess the stories of special entrance waivers that HS Counselors talk about students getting into Bama are false ? How they fail to use those students when they report numbers. How they are offering the moon to students with high ACTs to counter the numbers of those marginal students. The President has a plan and facts be damned.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:20 am to MrAUTigers
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I don't ever remember Auburn having a run like bama had from '97-2007.
Holy shite, Bama's record from 1997-2007 was 53-61.
That's behind even Kentucky.
I don't know if Auburn's ever played an entire decade of football that was measurably worse than friggin' KENTUCKY.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:25 am to Wallacewade04
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again, that's a lil holier than thou for a team that plays on Pat Dye Field
Ol' Pat learned well at the feet of the best.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:25 am to beatbammer
And yet the same amount of conference hardware. Even when Bama sux, they are as good as Auburn.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:26 am to Wallacewade04
Auburn takes great pride in their football. The younger Auburn generation got use to beating Bama. (Fear the thumb) In their minds it was almost has if Auburn had taken over the state for good.
Then we landed a hell of a coach.
Became a dynasty.......
Auburn on the other hand found a way to have a couple outstanding seasons as well. (Golf clap).
Keeping their slim hopes alive that they still are the better overall program. Its hard on Auburn to see what Alabama can be with the right coach. And its hard for Bama fans to admit Auburn is a solid program.
We are all in a tough spot. But not really. Because, you see, we both have had tons of good football times. And I wouldnt trade my Bama memories for any Auburn memories, and im sure they feel the same way. Im happy my Auburn buddies get to share success while my team is on a mutha frickin roll. Im not a hater.
This rivalry is just now getting epic.
We might not know who our qb is but you know we're coming. Roll Tide.
Then we landed a hell of a coach.
Became a dynasty.......
Auburn on the other hand found a way to have a couple outstanding seasons as well. (Golf clap).
Keeping their slim hopes alive that they still are the better overall program. Its hard on Auburn to see what Alabama can be with the right coach. And its hard for Bama fans to admit Auburn is a solid program.
We are all in a tough spot. But not really. Because, you see, we both have had tons of good football times. And I wouldnt trade my Bama memories for any Auburn memories, and im sure they feel the same way. Im happy my Auburn buddies get to share success while my team is on a mutha frickin roll. Im not a hater.
This rivalry is just now getting epic.
We might not know who our qb is but you know we're coming. Roll Tide.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 9:27 am to JuiceTerry
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And yet the same amount of conference hardware
we talkin SEC championships for Auburn and Bama since Saban arrived?
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:06 am to Crowknowsbest
quote:This, pretty much. Having followed AU football since the late 60s, this is the only real explanation.
Missed most of this thread, but AU's program is totally schizo.
As an illustration, I remind you all that 4 of AU's last 5 coaching hires going back to 1951 have had years in which their squads received #1 votes in the final AP poll. Only Doug Barfield, who had the misfortune to compete every year against two of the greatest HCs in college SEC history (Bryant and Dooley) while on probation, failed to seriously challenge for an MNC. Obviously Malzahn has continued that trend.
At the same time, all of these HCs save the current one (obviously) capped their AU careers with losing seasons. Even more tellingly, most went into their final disastrous seasons with high expectations:
Jordan '75: AP preseason #8, finished 3-6-2
Barfield '80: AP preseason #19, finished 5-6
Dye '92: Unranked, finished 5-6
Bowden '98: AP preseason #25, finished 3-8
Tuberville '08: AP preseason #10, finished 4-7
Chizik '12: Unranked, finished 3-9
There's no denying it - the OP is right. While we have rarely experienced extended periods of sub-mediocrity since the Barfield Era (back to back losing seasons only once in the last 32 years), nor have we had very many horrible years (2012 was only the fourth season since 1953 that we've lost 7 or more games) neither have we built the kind of sustained excellence like Florida from '90-'01 or Bama currently.
As someone once said, it is what it is.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 10:09 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:10 am to beaver
No, as a matter of fact we weren't. Work on your basic comprehension skills.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:20 am to beatbammer
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Holy shite, Bama's record from 1997-2007 was 53-61.
That's behind even Kentucky.
I don't know if Auburn's ever played an entire decade of football that was measurably worse than friggin' KENTUCKY.
Auburn '42 to '52 called.
31-61-5
Kentucky during that stretch:
61-41-5
That's a crap ton worse than Kentucky.
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