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re: Why do players need to hit the weed?

Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:25 pm to
Posted by Duzz
Houston
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:25 pm to
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You haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. I smoked it regularly from mid-20's to mid 30's. I only quit when ex-wife and I went through divorce and I knew she would try to make it an issue, even though she did partake on occasion as well. I gave away a good 1/2 ounce of good bud and never once had any withdrawals. I don't smoke now because I have custody of my 2 minor children and don't feel it's in their best interest to have illegal substances in my home with them here. I think it's ridiculous that it's illegal but the law is the law and I teach them to obey it. I also like to drink beer but weed has less potential for abuse than alcohol and have never seen anyone become violent after smoking a joint, not so with alcohol. Oh, I also have a college degree, own my own business, and have burned down with school teachers, cops, church deacons and many other "pillars of the community". I never let it interfere with my obligations nor my priorities, just was an inexpensive way to mellow out to the stress of this thing we call life. I find it laughable that people who think smoking pot is so bad think nothing of taking valium, xanax, etc. to chill out and calm down. Weed is like everything else, in moderation it doesn't hurt you but in excess it can be a problem. So these friends you speak of, weed is a symptom, not the cause of their problems. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.


See! it's good that you were able to beat that addiction. However my friends are just the common man, not superman like you seem to be, rubbing eblows with the upper elite. My friends are middle class and lower.

Weed are smoke more by the middle class and lower. It's something they need. You are an exception, the working class need the weed, it an addiction, their escape like you said so yourself. I have face stressful situation before but I overcome it by sheer force of will, no matter how much it get I just chip away one at a time. What does smoking weed help you with? Why do you need to escape from life?

That is the type of escapism that Weed-heads use weed for and thus it is classified as drug. It's also addicting and make them mentally weak most of the time. Again YOU are the exception, you have your business that's great, you decided by sheer force of will you will not smoke weed again. Like a drug addict who admit he needs help (cause that is the first step after all) you licked it. Congrats.

However for the millions of others, it something that is hanging over their lives. They of course don't view it as hanging over their lives, but it affects them. The weak willed mass. Football players are also weak will, that is why they need to use drugs and alcohol to get their fix. Their mentality is weak and fragile. I know for a fact Vince YOung smokes weed and use narcotics. He needs it, a little girl made him cry.

Simply put, alot of time alot of thee NFL players are strong in body but weak in mind. The strongest NFL player that I have ever saw play was Darrel Green, never use drugs or alcohol, ate right kept himself smart and ended up being a corner back in the NFL for 20 years.

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This post was edited on 11/17/09 at 11:27 pm
Posted by startshepard
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
361 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:01 am to
I've smoked pot before, the majority of the population has smoked pot before. In my opinion weed isn't as hazardous as alcohol. Alcohol is one of the more addicting substances that one can take(not including hard drugs) and the chemical properties of Marijuana show no addictive qualities. Alcohol is known for Causing accidents, depression, violence, and for causing the deterioration of relationships. Weed isnt known for really any of those things. I'm not saying I dont ever drink or smoke a lot of pot, but if you want to say that weed is extremely harmful then you have to take a look at what is legal
Posted by Superfly1372
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
256 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 6:27 am to
You are the sheep in this argument and part of the weak-willed mass you speak of. Don't believe the hype.
Posted by BigDogGambler
The Ship
Member since Oct 2009
997 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 7:54 am to
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Duzz


Is that you Dick Cheney?
Posted by BigDogGambler
The Ship
Member since Oct 2009
997 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 7:55 am to
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Duzz


Or maybe John McCain? You need to keep that Budweiser money flowing?

Don't worry, beer will still be good...
Posted by BigDogGambler
The Ship
Member since Oct 2009
997 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 7:55 am to
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Duzz


Oh, and sorry about the fact that all your friends are construction workers...
Posted by Americas Team
Member since Nov 2009
98 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:28 am to
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Oh, and sorry about the fact that all your friends are construction workers...


What do you have against construction workers?
Posted by BigDogGambler
The Ship
Member since Oct 2009
997 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:33 am to
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What do you have against construction workers?


Bad conversationalists...
Posted by TigerWoody
btwn where I was & where I will be
Member since Dec 2007
11387 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:36 am to
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What do you have against construction workers?

Bad conversationalists...
Usted no habla español?
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:40 am to
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God put weed on earth for You and me

There are only 2 "drugs" that are not man-made:

weed
mushrooms/Peyote

Take advantage man...take advantage

Actually there are a lot more than that, and most "man-made" drugs have natural precursors. For instance, LSD is derived from ergot, a rye fungus. DMT is derived from a number of grasses and tree barks. MDMA's primary precursor comes from sassafras. Cocaine comes from coca, and heroin comes from opium poppies.
This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 9:42 am
Posted by TigerWoody
btwn where I was & where I will be
Member since Dec 2007
11387 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:49 am to
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Actually there are a lot more than that, and most "man-made" drugs have natural precursors. For instance, LSD is derived from ergot, a rye fungus. DMT is derived from a number of grasses and tree barks. MDMA's primary precursor comes from sassafras. Cocaine comes from coca, and heroin comes from opium poppies.

His point is still valid...stay away from "manipulated" or derived drugs; stick to the natural.
This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 9:50 am
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 10:00 am to
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His point is still valid...stay away from "manipulated" or derived drugs; stick to the natural.


Why? As soon as you burn marijuana, you are "manipulating" it just like any other plant-derived drug. The difference is that marijuana requires very few steps to manipulate into something that you can use.

I think the "natural" vs. "unnatural" argument is the weakest when it comes to drugs. They should be evaluated on their positive and negative effects. After all, most drugs are derived from plants, and even marijuana requires some manipulation before it's useful.

Some drugs require that you separate the psychoactive chemicals from the rest of the plant (marijuana, cocaine, heroin, DMT, LSA), while others require that you separate a precursor and then react it with other chemicals before you get a psychoactive substance (MDMA, LSD). I really don't see any meaningful distinction between these two.
This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 10:04 am
Posted by fishcraze
T(itle) Town
Member since Oct 2009
1813 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 10:03 am to
"Don’t give me that shite that weed’s a drug. It ain’t no motherfrickin’ drug. I’ve done the research. It’s just a plant. It just grows like that. And if you just happen to set it on fire… "


Posted by TigerWoody
btwn where I was & where I will be
Member since Dec 2007
11387 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 10:09 am to
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Why? As soon as you burn marijuana, you are "manipulating" it just like any other plant-derived drug. The difference is that marijuana requires very few steps to manipulate into something that you can use.

I think the "natural" vs. "unnatural" argument is the weakest when it comes to drugs. They should be evaluated on their positive and negative effects. After all, most drugs are derived from plants, and even marijuana requires some manipulation before it's useful.

Some drugs require that you separate the psychoactive chemicals from the rest of the plant (marijuana, cocaine, heroin, DMT, LSA), while others require that you separate a precursor and then react it with other chemicals before you get a psychoactive substance (MDMA, LSD). I really don't see any meaningful distinction between these two.
Not a conversation I want to delve into that deeply on this blog (or any other since I am at work). You seem to know what you are talking about and would enjoy the conversation...just not here.
This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 10:09 am
Posted by Good Times
Hill top in Tn
Member since Nov 2007
23481 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 10:11 am to
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even marijuana requires some manipulation before it's useful.


If it were legal, it could/should be ingested in it's natural form. More salad please.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 11:39 am to
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If it were legal, it could/should be ingested in it's natural form. More salad please.


Straight up eating marijuana won't work. You have to vaporize and inhale it, or you have to dissolve it into a fat or alcohol and ingest it. That's what I mean by "manipulating" it.

I know that I'm splitting hairs, but most major recreational drugs require SOME processing before they can be used. Mushrooms are the only ones I can think of that don't. Unless you count drying them... but that just removes excess water and isn't a necessary step.

Anyway this is just a philosophical debate. I agree that marijuana should be legal.
This post was edited on 11/18/09 at 11:40 am
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
30394 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:05 pm to
quote:

The players these days I think are probably relatively tame compared to the old days...


In the 70's I bought my weed from athletes at both the colleges I attended. They always had the best weed. Have purchased it from a guy who was later an NFL draft pick and from a guy who made an Olympic team.

quote:

you know the days of bar fights and tearing up establishments doing whatever you wanted cause you played football...


That's right in the days of Cholly Mac and The Bear people's personal lives were not reported in the sports section.

Times sure do change. Mike Vick and Plaxico were made examples of by law enforcement and the judicial system.
Posted by beachdude
FL
Member since Nov 2008
5639 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:43 pm to
Ask the President of the United States.
Posted by Raymanz
swla
Member since Aug 2008
951 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 1:16 pm to
So you're telling me mary jane can't be tested for in players. Would you want a teamate high and playing along side of you?
Posted by lsugambit
Hammond
Member since Dec 2005
382 posts
Posted on 11/18/09 at 2:30 pm to
if he played better high, hell yeah
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