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re: Why are Saban coached teams incapable of playing with the lead?

Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:18 am to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:18 am to
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The fans did not start complaining till he bolted for the Dolphins and then to Alabama, which is when their "voice" got loude
They weren't "calling for his head," but there was plenty of grumbling that year and it's really clear how similar this Bama year has been. I definitely don't think he's going anywhere this year, and that has nothing to do with the point I'm making. I don't think an NFL team is stupid enough to give him another shot, not even Jerry Jones.
Posted by KPCrimson
Dothan, AL
Member since Jun 2008
2103 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:19 am to
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Monticello
To me, trying to look at it objectively, here's what I think happens. At least what I think happened yesterday. Sometimes it's good to congratulate and encourage someone for a great effort even if the results aren't quite what they should be. For instance, if a salesman lands a big sale of 100k, congratulate and encourage rather than tearing down the effort because the 100k was the lowest proposal of three. Here's what I mean, it appeared to me that the guys came out defeated, kinda like "Dang we just played the half of the season and he's still not happy." Yeah we should have been up 42-7 or so but had some unlucky bounces, poor decisions, and mental errors that caused it to be 24-7. It seemed to me that they were screamed at and berated for it and caused them to come out defeated and disappointed. Maybe, if this is what happened, Saban should look at praising the guys for working hard every once in a while. Don't know, just me and what I think.
Posted by gameovergt
Orange Park, FL via Stevenson, AL
Member since Nov 2010
1963 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:19 am to
football is a game of momentum.

Bama had the edge early in with emotion

Plus Auburn got back 2 important d lineman in the 2nd half
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:21 am to
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LSU rotated 3 quarterbacks in and out of the line-up.


2...Flynn only played a few plays in the bowl because Russell was in the doghouse. Beat Oregon St. because their kicker chocked and hung on for dear life vs. Troy and Ole Miss. Lost to Auburn largely because he mis-managed the QB rotation.
Posted by RJYH
Member since Aug 2010
6923 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:23 am to
I'm not buying that your 2 d linemen made that big of an impact. I know points were left off the board, that's not an excuse either.

The second half was played not to lose rather than to win. The offense looked scared to take chances, much like AU in the first half.

Bama has/had all the potential in the world to score 40+ if the game is called consistently. They always let off the gas. Most of the time they can escape with a win, other times this shite happens.
Posted by RT58
Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
3673 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:27 am to
J Lee comes in for one play after JJ gets hurt in the 4th quarter and uncorks a 42 pass to ice the game. AJ Mccarron comes in for Ginger needing to get to field goal range and he falls apart going 0-4.

Well duh,no shite. Lee has been around the block once or twice.He ain't exactly a freshman. Need I remind you of ALL the PICK 6 passes he threw,in year 08,on his home field? Bet you were not singing his praises then,if you were around
This post was edited on 11/27/10 at 8:30 am
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
16197 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:28 am to
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Here's what I mean, it appeared to me that the guys came out defeated, kinda like "Dang we just played the half of the season and he's still not happy." Yeah we should have been up 42-7 or so but had some unlucky bounces, poor decisions, and mental errors that caused it to be 24-7. It seemed to me that they were screamed at and berated for it and caused them to come out defeated and disappointed. Maybe, if this is what happened, Saban should look at praising the guys for working hard every once in a while. Don't know, just me and what I think.


Yea that was what I was talking about when I said that Saban teams with a lead play scared instead of instinctively. Ingram knew he fricked up by fumbling. Richardson knew he fricked up with the dropped pass. Yelling all damn day and harping about what you are doing wrong without equally building you up for doing something right will wear you down and destroy the natural instincts that great players rely on.

When a shark smells blood, does it start thinking about the process and all the things that could go wrong? Hell no, it fricking goes into attack mode and finishes the kill. It doesn't think at all. It does what it instinctively knows to do. Auburn was bleeding and needed one more bite to be finished, but Alabama is a team of robots, not sharks.
This post was edited on 11/27/10 at 8:33 am
Posted by AubieOne
Helena, Al
Member since Nov 2007
2198 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:29 am to
I think KPCrimson nailed it.
Posted by RJYH
Member since Aug 2010
6923 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:32 am to
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but Alabama is a team of robots, not sharks.
Ding ding ding
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:33 am to
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J Lee comes in for one play after JJ gets hurt in the 4th quarter and uncorks a 42 pass to ice the game. AJ Mccarron comes in for Ginger needing to get to field goal range and he falls apart going 0-4.



difference is LSU had the lead and Bama had to score, much easier to defend.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
51366 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:35 am to
He lost his entire defense from last year. I seriously doubt many coaches would do as well as he did. They could've won every one of their three losses. Most teams winning the MNC have the same problems he had this year yet its all Saban's fault. Right. Same problem Belicheck faced last year when he replaced most of his defense. Now look at the Patriots this year.
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8153 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:38 am to
I'm sorry did belechick blow a 24-0 lead?

Remember - most of the media was saying Alabama doesn't have down years they have enough talent to reload every year
Posted by Schwaaz
Member since Sep 2009
7375 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:40 am to
What the heck are you talking about. We have leadership issues on this team. We did pretty good the two years before that.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:41 am to
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He lost his entire defense from last year. I seriously doubt many coaches would do as well as he did.


lost the Auburn game on offense...
Posted by lsufan112001
sportsmans paradise
Member since Oct 2006
10695 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:42 am to
Saban is a builder of programs, not a maintainer.

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he hasn't stayed anywhere long enough to know. But i truly believe he likes to build more than maintain. he'll go to Penn State or such in a couple of years and do the same thing.
Posted by RT58
Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
3673 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:46 am to
Why are Saban coached teams incapable of playing with the lead?
quote:
Monticello
To me, trying to look at it objectively, here's what I think happens. At least what I think happened yesterday. Sometimes it's good to congratulate and encourage someone for a great effort even if the results aren't quite what they should be. For instance, if a salesman lands a big sale of 100k, congratulate and encourage rather than tearing down the effort because the 100k was the lowest proposal of three. Here's what I mean, it appeared to me that the guys came out defeated, kinda like "Dang we just played the half of the season and he's still not happy." Yeah we should have been up 42-7 or so but had some unlucky bounces, poor decisions, and mental errors that caused it to be 24-7. It seemed to me that they were screamed at and berated for it and caused them to come out defeated and disappointed. Maybe, if this is what happened, Saban should look at praising the guys for working hard every once in a while. Don't know, just me and what I think.

Good point,I really never thought about it that way. Could explain why they were so flat to start 2nd half
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
16197 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:46 am to
Bama will be back. I'm not worried about that. The talent is too much. But I still think the Saban process is more of an assembly manual than a maintenance manual.
Posted by gameovergt
Orange Park, FL via Stevenson, AL
Member since Nov 2010
1963 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:54 am to
The "process' thing Bammers keep throwing out is hilarious.

Everyone who knows football knows there is a formuala to winning.

Saban didn't invent anything new. he just micromanages his players into submission
Posted by KPCrimson
Dothan, AL
Member since Jun 2008
2103 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:55 am to
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Saban process is more of an assembly manual than a maintenance manual.
Possible but the workers still need to perform when called upon. Now that being said, I don't think they should be expected to perform to perfection to win. When you let off the gas the way we did yesterday, that's what you're expecting and I don't think that's possible. NFL teams can't do that.
Posted by tiger chaser
Birmingham Ala
Member since Feb 2008
7624 posts
Posted on 11/27/10 at 8:57 am to
Because Saban is overrated...LSU fans tried to tell you guys this before, but nobody wanted to listen...all you wanted to do was start counting how many National Titles you would win....still a good coach, but not what everybody tried to make him out to be....NOT STATUE WORTHY...
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