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Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:58 am to Jacknola
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:58 am to Jacknola
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No, they were pretty quiet. Alabama fan base generally has an unusually high “football quotient.” The Alabama boards are pretty sophisticated about what went wrong in a loss… usually concluding that “we beat ourselves.”
There was little woe-is-me after that game because most understood how bad the situation had gotten. And most understood just what Saban was bringing.
I hate to disappoint you, but Alabama fans are just more sophisticated about football.
This is hilarious
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:59 am to Jacknola
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but Alabama fans are just more sophisticated about football.
my goodness
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:07 am to 4TheLoveLSU
According to 247 sports, the boy grinder inherited the 8th best roster in the country.
FSU is a Walmart parking lot shite diaper of a team.
These Kelly/Saban comparisons are desperate and a little sad.
FSU is a Walmart parking lot shite diaper of a team.
These Kelly/Saban comparisons are desperate and a little sad.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:07 am to 4TheLoveLSU
quote:If I remember correctly, there were about 75,000 folks in the stands for his second Spring Game at Alabama (down from the "full house" the year before).....does that answer the question?
What was the fanbase like when Saban first started and went what 6-6? Did Bama fans give Saban a chance or were they after his head?
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:09 am to 4TheLoveLSU
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What was the fanbase like when Saban first started and went what 6-6?
You mean the Saban team that had the following players drafted in 2008?
2008 Draft
Le'ron McLain - 4th round #137
Kenneth Darby - 7th round #246
Ramzee Robinson - 7th round #255 (Mr. Irrelevant)
But I am sure Kelly is dealing with a cupboard that bare right? Sorry but Saban was not handed a roster that 247Sports has in the top 10 for talent.
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 11:15 am
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:10 am to 4TheLoveLSU
We knew he was going to deliver. With the head cases in the locker room and the textbook scandal, everyone knew 2007 was a throw away year. The talent to be a ten win team but the losing culture was rough to overcome once adversity hit.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:13 am to Gravy_Train
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The more interesting question I have about the early days of Saban is who he had blackmailed from the SEC and NCAA offices to start dropping bags for annual recruiting riches? He got those classes rolling at a time when the NCAA still thought they had nuts and were laying infractions for secondary recruiting violations.. meanwhile, Nick was playing with greyshirt scholarships.
Your inferiority complex is showing, again.
Meanwhile, during this new BAMA regime, Baylor football was providing the world with a lawsuit that alleged That 31 Baylor football players committed 52 acts of rape in four years. Go Baylor Bears!!!
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:18 am to 4TheLoveLSU
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Did Bama fans give Saban a chance or were they after his head?
We started 6-2 in 2007. The arse raping of Tennessee in Tuscaloosa was rightly seen as a sign of things to come. Losing four down the stretch, each by 7 points or less, was a combination of (a) losing to a couple of better opponents (we had eventual national champions LSU on the ropes in the 2nd half), (b) the impact of the suspensions of the Textbook Five, who missed those games, and (c) dealing with cancers like DJ Hall. The MSU game was literally decided on a pick six at the end of the first half that was a 10 or 14 point swing. During bowl prep, the underclassmen like Rashad Johnson and Mike Johnson stepped up and took over leadership of that team, laying the foundation for another arse raping, this time of Clemson, to start 2008 and the game that served notice of what was to come.
At no point in 2007 did we see such a comedy of errors as what Brian Kelly gave us Saturday night...not even in the ULM game. LSU did not look well coached much of the night, although the clutch drive at the end was nice.
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 11:19 am
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:21 am to 4TheLoveLSU
Not defending Saban here but it was apples and oranges compared to Sunday night. 
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:25 am to Jacknola
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I hate to disappoint you, but Alabama fans are just more sophisticated about football. There are trolls and wanna-bes, but fewer just plain knuckle-draggers than in the LSU fan base. LSUers as a group are pretty much top of SEC in getting high and then crashing.
Yeah this is not even close to being true.
Nothing makes me laugh more than getting downvoted for being right.
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:26 am to PeleofAnalytics
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What was the fanbase like when Saban first started and went what 6-6?
You mean the Saban team that had the following players drafted in 2008?
2008 Draft
Le'ron McLain - 4th round #137
Kenneth Darby - 7th round #246
Ramzee Robinson - 7th round #255 (Mr. Irrelevant)
That was the April, 2007 draft...after the 2006 season.. Not one of those players ever played for Saban at Alabama.
But to highlight your point about the 2007 team even more dramatically, know how many Alabama players were taken in the draft after that season?
Zero.
Not. One. Player.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:51 am to SummerOfGeorge
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We didn't have a single player drafted after that 7-6 season, so.
That's the difference. This team actually has some talent.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 12:04 pm to bamameister
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Your inferiority complex is showing, again.
Inferiority complex, again? I have 12 posts on this board. The programs are pretty far apart in terms of hardware, fanbase size and net worth... I assure you it's not out of jealousy.
You seem to be a bit touchy on any criticisms of Saban. Only those naive and new to college football would believe he runs a clean program and that it didn't take a handful of shrewd boosters, bag dropping, 7-on-7 programs and recruiting services to get that machine rolling. Sure, a number of programs do the same these days, but Saban was able to get away with all of that at a time when the NCAA should have been looking diligently over his shoulder.
My beef is that we've lost parity in college football for Saban's reign, and that he's become a mouthpiece for "rules for thee but not for me" in trying to shape how the game is played. Looking over at Ole Miss and Tennessee, those rules seem to be clearly different compared to how Saban wants to keep tabs on the SEC. Funny thing, there might be more active UK and Vandy posters on here than UT fans.
Now I'll pivot and state that while Saban shouldn't be praised for running a clean program, he does deserve special recognition for keeping UA at the top during his reign, and that's no easy feat. Attracting talent is only half the story-- developing them and putting them in the NFL is the proof. Maintaining a cohesive staff is remarkable when rivals are willing to pay multiples to poach those position coaches from under Saban. Keeping positive relationships with high school coaches takes a ton of effort and Saban never overlooked those responsibilities. Though he's bitched about it plenty, he's also kept up with the evolution of college football, from the up-tempo offense to player safety rules and the emergence of the mobile quarterback in a read-option system.
All that while never forgetting that football is won at the line of scrimmage and that the base of his roster pyramid have been built with the kind of player meant to push the opponent around.
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 9/6/22 at 12:09 pm to 4TheLoveLSU
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I was talking to the Elephants in the room, not the pigs. Mind your business.
Single greatest use of Elephant in the Room I've ever seen.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 12:12 pm to 4TheLoveLSU
I specifically remember turning to my dad during the ULM game and saying “dude Saban fricking sucks”
Happy to have been wrong as hell lol
Happy to have been wrong as hell lol
Posted on 9/6/22 at 12:15 pm to Nitro Express
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We went into the LSU game that season with a chance to win the conference but lost in a close game. After that game, the team fell apart in the locker room. We lacked leadership and heart with the players Shula brought in leading the way, but we could all see how much better the team was all the way up to the point JP Wilson fumbled the ball in the 4th quarter against LSU. I think most of us were still excited. We knew he'd bring in his players and that there would be a bigger culture change.
Losing Caldwell to the Textbook scandal changed the course of the season. Not enough depth on the o-line to make up for his loss.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 12:19 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:They really are, but I've seen tons of fan bases use Saban's 1st yr record at Bama to puff up a new HC's 1st yr record. Yet none of those HC's have miraculously turned into Saban in the last 15 yrs.
These Kelly/Saban comparisons are desperate and a little sad.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 12:40 pm to Gravy_Train
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Now I'll pivot and state that while Saban shouldn't be praised for running a clean program, he does deserve special recognition for keeping UA at the top during his reign, and that's no easy feat.
And why don't you get that between the murder of a student athlete to the rape-a-thon you guys were regularly holding under Art Briles you are right there with Penn State in the annuals of the depraved and degenerates of college football.
Normally, this is where I would tell you to take your moral high ground and stick it up your azz. But given your recent history that may come off as simply a turn-on.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 12:41 pm to Chalkywhite84
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We didn't have a single player drafted after that 7-6 season, so.
That's the difference. This team actually has some talent.
The 2007 team actually had talent also, but they were underclassmen and much of it had to be developed. There was basically zero leadership from the seniors.
Here are the players who were eventually All Americans and/or first round draft picks who played on the 2007 team:
Antoine Caldwell, Andre Smith, Rashad Johnson, Mike Johnson, Javier Arenas, Kareem Jackson, Rolando McClain, Leigh Tiffin.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 12:49 pm to Gravy_Train
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but Saban was able to get away with all of that at a time when the NCAA should have been looking diligently over his shoulder.
95% of your post was spot on...but remember that the Textbook Five scandal was discovered and self-reported by Alabama. It happened literally the morning of an 11:00 kickoff against Tennessee. Alabama sat their starting All-American center, plus another starting OL, future NFL RB Glen Coffee, plus two more starters. A twenty-something-year-old kid of an offensive coordinator named Major Applewhite had to deal with those sudden personnel losses and still took John Chavis to the woodshed that day. As has already been mentioned, those suspensions were a direct factor in subsequent losses that year.
In what universe does a coach who doesn't run a clean program self report those violations and hit his own team with penalties like that, knowing that it will likely cost him ballgames?
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