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re: Where does LSU19 rank in terms of GOAT vs

Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:20 pm to
Posted by tigerinridgeland
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:20 pm to
So let’s take a closer look at the 1995 Nebraska team.
In the regular season they played 7 games against teams that did not have a winning record (6 P-5 schools and one non P-5 school). Four opposing teams in the regular season had a winning record. One of the remaining teams was a 6-5 Arizona State. The remaining 3 regular season opponents were each 10-2. But there is less here than meets the eye. Kansas was 10-2. Kansas played 4 non P-5 schools and only 3 P-5 teams that had a winning record. Kansas lost to 2 of those 3. The bowl game was against a non P5 school. Kansas State played 4 non P-5 schools in the regular season and only 3 P-5 schools with a winning record, and lost 2 of the 3. Colorado was somewhat better, playing 2 non P-5 schools. They played 4 P-5 teams in the regular season with a winning record and lost 2 of them. Kansas State defeated non-P5 Colorado State in a bowl game. Kansas defeated UCLA, and Colorado defeated Oregon in their bowl games.
Nebraska concluded the season with a romp over 12-1 Florida, SEC champions.
Nebraska played 5 opposing teams in the entire season with a winning record.

LSU played 5 P-5 teams with a winning record in the regular season and 2 non P-5 teams with a winning record. They played 4 P-5 teams with a losing record, and one non P-5 team with a losing record. They played 6 P-5 teams that won at least 8 games in the regular season, including 2 teams that were 10-2, one that was 9-4 and two that were 8-5. In the post season they played 3 more teams with 10 or more wins, Georgia, 13-2, Oklahoma, 13-2, and Clemson 14-1. Of the teams with a winning record in the regular season that LSU defeated: Alabama played 4 P-5 teams with a winning record and lost 2. Florida played 4 teams with a winning record and lost 2. Texas A&M played 5 P-5 teams with a winning record in the regular season and lost all of them (against the toughest regular season in the country). Auburn played 6 teams with a winning record in the regular season and lost 3. Texas played 6 P-5 teams with a winning record and won 2. In bowl games, Alabama defeated Michigan, Auburn lost to Minnesota, Florida defeated Virginia, Texas A&M defeated Oklahoma State, and Texas defeated Utah. Georgia defeated Baylor, Oklahoma defeated Baylor in the Big XII conference championship, Clemson defeated Virginia in the ACC conference championship and Ohio State, Big 10 conference champions, in the CFP semi-finals.

LSU played 8 P-5 teams with a winning record over the course of the season, including the champions of the Big XII and the ACC (which had defeated the Big 10 champion), and the SEC East division champion. LSU defeated 5 of the top 8 teams in the final AP.

It is pretty clear that LSU played a higher level of competition based on the teams played than Nebraska did. While It is certainly a defensible position that Nebraska 1995 was the best team ever, it is a very debatable point. Nebraska had big margins of victories but even the best teams they played were not a strong as it would appear at first glance, Florida being the exception and the margin isn’t that significant a factor when both Nebraska and LSU pretty much dominiated the championship games.
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:24 pm to
I'm not reading that.
Posted by tigerinridgeland
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:28 pm to
You are free not to read, but when you make an argument, you need to back it up. You rely on margin of victory, but that is only part of the story. You need to dig deeper. In sum, Nebraska did not play teams that were as good as LSU played.
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

You are free not to read, but when you make an argument, you need to back it up. You rely on margin of victory, but that is only part of the story. You need to dig deeper. In sum, Nebraska did not play teams that were as good as LSU played.


It's a big wall of text and you start out making the same lame arse arguments that have been made time and time again.

You do the same shite and you get 2009 Alabama > 1995 Nebraska and it's dumb.

Yes, LSU had a tougher SoS. So did Alabama in 2009. While a tougher SoS gives you the opportunity to make the case, you have to dominate it and LSU did NOT, just like Alabama in 2009 did not.

This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 1:41 pm
Posted by Bbobalou
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:40 pm to
Why the venom towards me? I just asked where you would rank them in relation to some of the other great teams. I just tossed out a few teams and player off the top of my head and asked you to add to it.

85 Bears LSU would be favored by 3
Dream team LSU would be favored by 7
Mohammed Ali wouldn’t stand a chance.

LSU19 would make them all tap out.
Posted by dstone12
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:44 pm to
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:51 pm to
Now put 2009 Alabama in there and explain why nobody thought the metrics listed were the most important until LSU fans this year.

Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:52 pm to
You do it.

I’m not saying you’re wrong but you are the only person on this board chirping about 09 Bama
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

You do it.

I’m not saying you’re wrong but you are the only person on this board chirping about 09 Bama




I've done it like 50 times already. That image gets thrown up by LSU fans often.

More wins(14-0)
More ranked wins(like 7 IIRC)
More awards(because many of them didn't even exist until recently).

So like I say, show me metrics that don't put 2009 Alabama ahead of 95 Nebraska and I'll believe it.

Here's a stat: 95 Nebraska averaged more than 38 points per game...as their Margin of Victory.

They average 400 yards per game rushing. Straight up they dominated and could not be stopped.

You know why LSU doesn't measure up? Because your defense sucked. Ranked way down in 20th in the SP+.

And of course nobody is chirping about 09 Alabama, because it's stupid. Only LSU fans are dumb enough to claim this shite.


This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 1:59 pm
Posted by Bbobalou
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:58 pm to
Perhaps the better question would have been what did LSU19 do that no other college team did.

Go undefeated? NOPE
Go 15-0? NOPE
Beat teams by a greater MoV? NOPE

The only thing I can come up with is the team beat more ranked teams than anyone else. Some of that is just a matter of who’s on your schedule.
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:00 pm to
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Some of that is just a matter of who’s on your schedule.

No shite. And we beat them all
Posted by Bbobalou
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:02 pm to
So did all the other undefeated teams.
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:02 pm to
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More wins(14-0)

Once again I say “
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:02 pm to
Did they beat more ranked teams than LSU?
Posted by Bbobalou
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:03 pm to
That’s the only thing I’ve come up with in LSU19’s favor.

Just scroll up a little and you’ll see my post.
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 2:05 pm
Posted by Sun God
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:04 pm to
Good point, we didn’t do anything especially well in 2019
Posted by 3down10
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:05 pm to
quote:


Once again I say “


I totally agree.
Posted by wadewilson
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:08 pm to
Yeah, he's a dumbass.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:08 pm to
Just explain to me how y’all had more wins

I’m missing something

Also, and as I’ve told you specifically before, I have zero problems with the 95 Nebraska team being considered GOAT
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:13 pm to
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Just explain to me how y’all had more wins

I’m missing something

Also, and as I’ve told you specifically before, I have zero problems with the 95 Nebraska team being considered GOAT



Because 14 is > 12?



I'm not claiming 2009 Alabama is > 2019 LSU. I'm just saying if you want to use metrics to claim 2019 LSU is > 95 Nebraska, it damn well better not at the same time claim 2009 Alabama* is > 95 Nebraska either.

If you guys just want to say it was the best in the SEC, I'd be fine with that. If you want to say it's better than Alabama's, that's also fine.

But that 95 Nebraska team was something else and it started day 1 of the season(they went undefeated in 94 also).

*You could probably add 2010 Auburn and 2013 FSU to the list of teams that would also be considered better than 95 Nebraska with those same stats.

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