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re: When's the next time Vandy beats UGA, UF, and UT in same year?
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:34 pm to DoreonthePlains
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:34 pm to DoreonthePlains
Only the Franklin era should be counted. A look at the change in recruiting alone highlights the fact that you are comparing apples and oranges. Vandy has not fielded teams like this since the 20s. Franklin's Vanderbilt is a new animal. ATFD.
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Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:35 pm to Athanatos
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Only the Franklin era should be counted
Deal, only if we can count the Herschel era in UGA history.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:36 pm to VFL1800FPD
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UT has had three different coaches over that time span.
So has Vanderbilt.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:38 pm to chimneylooker
Vanderbilt is not gonna pass UGA, Fla and Tenn longterm. That's just not gonna happen.
That said, Ron Franklin is damn refreshing. He's like the superstar athlete who stays in school because he enjoys it, even though the pros are saying he's the number 1 pick in the draft (and a fool for ignoring the money). Looking at what he's done and where, he HAS to be considered an elite coach (next Saban, possibly?), and yet he's still hanging out in Nashville. For now.
I don't know anything about his family, or even if he has one; but if he has kids- sooner or later, you have to consider taking a big deal with a major program. The right contract, and his family is set for life. Given that he's succeeding in the SEC with the system he has, he should be able to bring it elsewhere and still win.
He's playing with fire by staying. Right now, he's probably able to command top-dollar. If Tenn and Fla revive, Vandy will drop, and he loses that payday. Loyalty is one thing (and he did stay this season), but at some point you have to decide what your plans are; and if that is winning a national title and get rich in the process, that isn't at Vandy. No offense to the 'Dores
, it just isn't.
That said, Ron Franklin is damn refreshing. He's like the superstar athlete who stays in school because he enjoys it, even though the pros are saying he's the number 1 pick in the draft (and a fool for ignoring the money). Looking at what he's done and where, he HAS to be considered an elite coach (next Saban, possibly?), and yet he's still hanging out in Nashville. For now.
I don't know anything about his family, or even if he has one; but if he has kids- sooner or later, you have to consider taking a big deal with a major program. The right contract, and his family is set for life. Given that he's succeeding in the SEC with the system he has, he should be able to bring it elsewhere and still win.
He's playing with fire by staying. Right now, he's probably able to command top-dollar. If Tenn and Fla revive, Vandy will drop, and he loses that payday. Loyalty is one thing (and he did stay this season), but at some point you have to decide what your plans are; and if that is winning a national title and get rich in the process, that isn't at Vandy. No offense to the 'Dores
, it just isn't.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:41 pm to KAVandy05
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So has Vanderbilt.
Bobby, Franklin, who else? If interim coaches count, then we've had 4
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:42 pm to Scoob
I'm curious as to what you define as "top dollar" if it isn't the $3 million he's making now and if you think he could command that right now.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:42 pm to VFL1800FPD
Robbie Caldwell
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:42 pm to Athanatos
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Vandy has not fielded teams like this since the 20s. Franklin's Vanderbilt is a new animal.
you know this from personal experience?
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:44 pm to Scoob
Vandy is paying him $3 million a year. What is your definition of set for life? He's set for life at Vandy. Keep up with 6-8 wins a year, and he'll never be fired. Do that at a "major program," and he's gone.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:46 pm to Scoob
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I don't know anything about his family, or even if he has one; but if he has kids- sooner or later, you have to consider taking a big deal with a major program. The right contract, and his family is set for life. Given that he's succeeding in the SEC with the system he has, he should be able to bring it elsewhere and still win.
Vanderbilt as a private institution does not have to release the terms of a coach's contract. However, AD David Williams said in an interview with the Commodore Nation magazine (I believe, I have been unable to find the article) that Franklin is being paid at a top 3 or 4 in the SEC standard which would put him around $3 million a year.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:48 pm to VFL1800FPD
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you know this from personal experience?
Wow. I hope you will lead all historical discussions. We should forget all about the past before 1900. No one knows about it from personal experience, after all.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:53 pm to Vandyrone
quote:3 mil, that's higher than I guessed. USA Today LINK puts it under 2 (and last in the conference). Yes, I think he could clearly get a lot more than that, from the right program.
I'm curious as to what you define as "top dollar" if it isn't the $3 million he's making now and if you think he could command that right now
Posted on 12/6/13 at 1:58 pm to Athanatos
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hope you will lead all historical discussions. We should forget all about the past before 1900. No one knows about it from personal experience, after all.
im just curious as to how you can compare 2 teams almost 100 years apart. So much has changed: the game, the rules, the implications, the intensity, the competetion, etc...
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:01 pm to Scoob
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3 mil, that's higher than I guessed. USA Today LINK puts it under 2 (and last in the conference). Yes, I think he could clearly get a lot more than that, from the right program
Those numbers are based on 2011 numbers via this article. Franklin received a new contract after last season. Again, I wish I had the article where Williams made the statement, but it was from August of this year.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:02 pm to VFL1800FPD
People repeatedly use 1892 to discuss Vanderbilt's football history, even in this thread. How is that different? Should no records be counted before 1950? 1960? When? The rules and competition are always changing. Today's football is considerably different than 1990's.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:04 pm to Scoob
So do you think he could he make more than Les Miles ($4.3 million)
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:04 pm to Athanatos
quote:Like I said, no offense to Vanderbilt. It's a fine institution, probably the best university academically in the SEC by far. He's a football coach, not a professor.
Vandy is paying him $3 million a year. What is your definition of set for life? He's set for life at Vandy
quote:As I said, he's a coach. Maybe he has school loyalty. If so, fine. But maybe he wants a championship. Maybe he kept that in perspective, to originally take the Vandy job... but now, you have to think he at least wonders: what if I had top resources and recruits? I'm competitive now, with a cellar dweller; could I take a traditional power (example- Nebraska) all the way? Could I take a respectable program (example- Iowa) to the next level?
Keep up with 6-8 wins a year, and he'll never be fired. Do that at a "major program," and he's gone.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:09 pm to TheCaterpillar
I can see Vandy doing in the SEC what Baylor has done in the Big(number). They used to be an auto-win on the schedule. I'll never forget a few years ago when I had to listen to Baylor v. Mizzou on the radio because it didn't warrant a TV spot and listening in astonishment when Baylor beat Mizzou. It was embarrassing to lose to Baylor back then. Now, just a few years later it's normal for them to win 8-10 games.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:26 pm to Aux Arc
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Aux Arc
I might be rooting against you tomorrow (part of going to Auburn haha), but good luck and glad to see someone else breaking expectations.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:36 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Again in next 25 years? 50?
All 3 programs happened to be down this year, but won't stay that way for long. Vandy is peaking and loses Jordan Matthews.
It'll be 2018 or '19 when they pull the triumvirate again. Not entirely clear on which.
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