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re: What's going on at Nebraska?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:10 pm to BigBlue8Titles
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:10 pm to BigBlue8Titles
They're 3-stars (we use 247 around here).
And UK got Heard from there when Morrow left. They're from that Ohio pipeline. Made sense to follow the guy that recruited them when Pelini left.
And UK got Heard from there when Morrow left. They're from that Ohio pipeline. Made sense to follow the guy that recruited them when Pelini left.
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Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:10 pm to JDHLaw
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This guy is the worst fricking troll.
Sadly he's not an alter. He's one of those basketball only fans.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:20 pm to BamainbigD
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Division titles 10 (1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012)
Kansas State won the Big 12 North in 2000
Colorado won the Big 12 North in 2001
Missouri won the Big 12 North in 2008
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:28 pm to BamainbigD
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In all candor, many of the great programs have gone through dry spells, most of them crawl out of their funk.
And some don't. For every Bama that lasts from generation to generation you have a Pitt, a Minnesota, or a Georgia Tech that is dead as a doornail. Programs do die.
EVERY single trend since their dominant period has gone against them except one:
-The trend AWAY from limited exposure for non-helmet teams. Before teams like Nebraska and Tenn were the only ones on TV, now any SEC program has just as many televised games as Nebraska.
-The trend for talent wanting to either play closer to home, or failing that playing for Nike. Nebraska is not near natural talent, nor is as cool as Nike U.
-The trend away from recruits valuing history or past accomplishments. Nowadays an Oregon/South Carolina is more appealing than a blueblood like Nebraska. Recruiting rankings tell this story.
-The trend away from smashmouth football. Local cornfed boys can at best only win your division (hey Wincy). Once you play a Big 12 team or half the SEC in a bowl you find yourself in a boatrace those cornboys can't win.
-The trend towards the nationalization and fixation on recruiting. Gone are the days Coach O. could raid someplace far away like Compton with impunity.
-The trend away from partial qualifiers
-The trend away from a program like Nebraska having this huge moat around it in terms of attendance, money, facilities and support. Nowadays teams with a much less prestigious history- like A&M, Arky or Clemson- have better facilities and higher paid coaches.
-The trend of the decline in prestige of the Big 10, which hurts Nebraska for recruiting in places out of that footprint like Texas.
The only trend that has worked for Nebraska is the weakness of the B1G and their division. But those weaknesses can also lead to exposure problems, like how midseason no one cared about a one loss Nebraska.
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Nebraska will be back.
Depends on what you mean by "back."
Is "back" a Nick Saban at Alabama run of multiple national titles and dominating competition like its the mid-90s again? If so, no Nebraska will never be back.
Is "back" being the sacrificial B1G lamb that gets executed in the first round of the playoffs every year? If so, Nebraska will be back an average of one out of every five years going forward.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:36 pm to BamainbigD
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In all candor, many of the great programs have gone through dry spells, most of them crawl out of their funk.
When they were at their peak seems they were recruiting well out of NY and NJ (like 20 years ago) so joining the B1G may actually get them back into those states.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:57 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
They must've been co-champs but second seed then.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:03 pm to cardboardboxer
I see what you're saying, but ultimately Nebraska has traditionally been very overrated. Check out their strength of schedule. For literally decades, Oklahoma was the only real team that they faced during the regular season. No wonder they won 9 games or more for 30 straight years--and then lost the bulk of their bowl games when they finally played a real opponent.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:16 pm to cardboardboxer
Damn... I had no IDEA Nebraska inspired so much passion in these parts!
I used the word "many" with purpose... Army, Syracuse, Notre Dame and many others have fallen way off for myriad reasons.
One is likely doomed to failure if they are using the Nick Saban UA model as their benchmark... that team is a generational dynasty. One can still be considered successful without ripping off 3 championships in 4 years (as Nebraska did less than 20 years ago).
I am not a Nebraska fan, but I respect the tradition. Time will tell to what extent they return to prominence. Make no mistake, they will be a force again.
I used the word "many" with purpose... Army, Syracuse, Notre Dame and many others have fallen way off for myriad reasons.
One is likely doomed to failure if they are using the Nick Saban UA model as their benchmark... that team is a generational dynasty. One can still be considered successful without ripping off 3 championships in 4 years (as Nebraska did less than 20 years ago).
I am not a Nebraska fan, but I respect the tradition. Time will tell to what extent they return to prominence. Make no mistake, they will be a force again.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:21 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I did not take the time to fully research Wiki. You got me. Semantics. The greater point still remains true... 
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:00 pm to TheDude321
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ultimately Nebraska has traditionally been very overrated.
Well...yeah. Seems like for a few decades in college football there was this trend that programs located in non-NFL states could instead focus all their energy on their college program and elevate it to a national level. Oklahoma, Nebraska, Alabama, Michigan (the Lions barely exist), BYU, Tenn, etc. The sheer will of and pride of the locals built these programs to be giants. They all became a source of state pride.
Over time that advantage has defused as the exposure for the sport has increased. Now states with NFL programs, like Texas, California and Florida, can scare up enough support and capital to fill 90k+ in a stadium on Saturday then turn around and fill all the NFL suites on Sunday. Programs like OU and NU are still the primary source of pride in their community, but no longer are their communities able to elevate them over other programs. The moat is lost.
I predict unless college football media rights bubble bursts that this trend will continue. Twenty years from now how much talent you have in a 100 mile radius and how big your bank account is will define the potential of your program. What you were in pre-playoff age will be viewed like we view Yale's history today.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:38 pm to BreakawayZou83
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They just fired a popular player's coach and hired a mediocre replacement. Recent commits are pissed. Not rocket science.
Hell you would think if UK got a couple of 4* recruits from the Nubs MIZZOU could maybe get a couple of 3* recruits.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:57 pm to BamainbigD
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Nebraska will be back.
Not really. Demographics are a killer. Also, it's not possible to have guys on your team who are homicidal maniacs anymore. Media doesn't allow it. Finally, there have been advances in drug testing and you have to be able to read to play football (mostly).
In short, Nebraska will not be back.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:15 pm to the808bass
Hey, I take umbrage at the comment that Army is a has been! Give them another century and they will be right back up there.
Now, joking aside, Pelini was not just an A-Hole. He was an A-Hole bordering on super massive black hole status. For all his skills he despised Nebraska and its fans for a program like that it really is the kiss of average.
Can they rally back? I am not sure Riley is the man to get it done but sure. Right team, right playcallers, right conference, then get hot in the playoffs. Sure Nebraska can win again and win big.
The thing is... what they had is hard to reproduce. Say what you will about the power option attack that Nebraska used to run but with the right pieces to the puzzle it can dominate a lot of teams. A lot of teams.
In the 90's the power option was them and no one else and they were great. Now everyone sees the spread, spread option, power run, and what have you a few times a year. Not since the Pistol was introduced a little while ago has something caught everybody off guard.
If the Cornhumpers run some version of an offense that everyone sees a few times a year and has a standard defense for then they will be... an 8 or so win team. Some 10 win seasons.
Power option, triple option, or what have you, they need something that just isn't on most folks radar to win. Can it be done? Well sure it can. They have to work for it though and I don't think that Riley is the guy to take them to that promised land.
Now, joking aside, Pelini was not just an A-Hole. He was an A-Hole bordering on super massive black hole status. For all his skills he despised Nebraska and its fans for a program like that it really is the kiss of average.
Can they rally back? I am not sure Riley is the man to get it done but sure. Right team, right playcallers, right conference, then get hot in the playoffs. Sure Nebraska can win again and win big.
The thing is... what they had is hard to reproduce. Say what you will about the power option attack that Nebraska used to run but with the right pieces to the puzzle it can dominate a lot of teams. A lot of teams.
In the 90's the power option was them and no one else and they were great. Now everyone sees the spread, spread option, power run, and what have you a few times a year. Not since the Pistol was introduced a little while ago has something caught everybody off guard.
If the Cornhumpers run some version of an offense that everyone sees a few times a year and has a standard defense for then they will be... an 8 or so win team. Some 10 win seasons.
Power option, triple option, or what have you, they need something that just isn't on most folks radar to win. Can it be done? Well sure it can. They have to work for it though and I don't think that Riley is the guy to take them to that promised land.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:18 pm to BigBlue8Titles
Riley is a homerun hire. Pelini wanted to be great, and thought he could be at Nebraska, where the fans expect it. But Nebraska isn't great anymore and while Pelini realized it, the fans did not.
Riley is just the kind hearted type of man who can calmly hold the fans hand while they are ushered into mediocrity.
Riley is just the kind hearted type of man who can calmly hold the fans hand while they are ushered into mediocrity.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:22 pm to BearBait09
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Riley is just the kind hearted type of man who can calmly hold the fans hand while they are ushered into mediocrity.
Yup.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:23 pm to BigBlue8Titles
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Hard to see how they maintained that for so long given Nebraska produces very few home state blue chip recruits. Most of the other top programs sit in areas stocked full of homegrown talent.
It helps when every single kid in the state wants to play for one program only; you have zero admission standards for athletes; you never suspend any players for conduct or academics; you take advantage of a state need-based scholarship program to get around NCAA scholarship limits and field the largest roster in the country; and occasionally raid Texas talent.
The death of the Big 8 meant Nebraska had to start complying with minimal rules on admissions.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 12/13/14 at 8:28 am to the808bass
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Not really. Demographics are a killer. Also, it's not possible to have guys on your team who are homicidal maniacs anymore. Media doesn't allow it. Finally, there have been advances in drug testing and you have to be able to read to play football (mostly).
In short, Nebraska will not be back.
Demographically speaking, Texas has always been Nebraskie's top market. That has not and will not change.
Your secondary and tertiary arguments, while cute, can be pointed at every major D1 school in the NCAA.
You may not WANT Nebraska to be relevant, but they will be.
Watch and see.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 8:47 am to cardboardboxer
You own this thread.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 9:04 am to Mizzou4ever
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You own this thread.
I disagree.
You own this thread.
Posted on 12/13/14 at 9:38 am to BamainbigD
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Demographically speaking, Texas has always been Nebraskie's top market. That has not and will not change.
It has changed. Used to be Nebraska was the third or fourth best offer in the region. Now they are fighting with the Texas Techs for middle of the road talent.
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