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re: What are your expectations for Eaux?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 7:39 am to Eli Goldfinger
Posted on 5/17/17 at 7:39 am to Eli Goldfinger
How terrible Orgeron is want be evident until his second year. The idea that he will able to sustain or build LSU into a better program is a complete fantasy.
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Posted on 5/17/17 at 8:48 am to MetryTyger
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Posted on 5/17/17 at 8:52 am to UnwashedVol
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What are your expectations for Eaux? by UnwashedVol
How terrible Orgeron is want be evident until his second year. The idea that he will able to sustain or build LSU into a better program is a complete fantasy.
Based on?
His 6-2 record and bowl victory last year?
His Top 3 recruiting class?
His staff and OC and DCs?
His rapport with La. schools, coaches, players and families?
None of that actually happened. All a fantasy...
Yeah that's just terrible......
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 8:54 am
Posted on 5/17/17 at 8:56 am to MetryTyger
Orgeron isn't even the head coach. That's why you had to go out and pay 3.5 M for coordinators. You're AD was scared to death that he might actually have to run a part of the team.
He's a coonass figurehead. You know it, I know it. He's there for display.
Is his headset turned on during gamedays?
He's a coonass figurehead. You know it, I know it. He's there for display.
Is his headset turned on during gamedays?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 8:59 am to JesusQuintana
Well, that's an opinion.
If ever there was an opinion, that was one!
Comical though. I hear Conan is hiring comedy writers. You should apply....
If ever there was an opinion, that was one!
Comical though. I hear Conan is hiring comedy writers. You should apply....
Posted on 5/17/17 at 9:14 am to Eli Goldfinger
I think he'll do well and liked the pick. It was a hard search to find a personality that could compete with the Miles legacy.
People are hung up on on his Ole Miss record, but I'm not sure it's a fair indicator of how he will do at LSU. Unlike Ole Miss, LSU offers him a starting point with a great program, good facilities, established winning culture, and top talent.
Moreover, he has nearly a decade more experience as a coach under his belt since Ole Miss. Do we truly believe he has not progressed professionally as a coach over that time. He may not have been ready to run a program 10+ yrs ago, but he has gone 12-4 as an interim HC at 2 major football programs since Ole Miss. I think he managed both of those situations very well given the conditions surrounding each where it would have been easy for the teams to crumble.
With good assistants underneath him and easy access to talent, I think he could easily compete for the West each year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mark Richt type of success.
But, if he can't do it at LSU with all in his favor, he won't get it done anywhere.
People are hung up on on his Ole Miss record, but I'm not sure it's a fair indicator of how he will do at LSU. Unlike Ole Miss, LSU offers him a starting point with a great program, good facilities, established winning culture, and top talent.
Moreover, he has nearly a decade more experience as a coach under his belt since Ole Miss. Do we truly believe he has not progressed professionally as a coach over that time. He may not have been ready to run a program 10+ yrs ago, but he has gone 12-4 as an interim HC at 2 major football programs since Ole Miss. I think he managed both of those situations very well given the conditions surrounding each where it would have been easy for the teams to crumble.
With good assistants underneath him and easy access to talent, I think he could easily compete for the West each year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mark Richt type of success.
But, if he can't do it at LSU with all in his favor, he won't get it done anywhere.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 9:46 am to MetryTyger
His 6-2 record and bowl victory last year? Right on pace for that yearly 9-3
His Top 3 recruiting class? Les recruited well, didn't mean much
His staff and OC and DCs? Good staff, OC is still a huge question mark though
His rapport with La. schools, coaches, players and families? See recruiting tidbit
He's gonna be an average coach, and will juggle between 8-4 and 10-2 for 3 or 4 years before he gets run off for not being able to beat Alabama.
His Top 3 recruiting class? Les recruited well, didn't mean much
His staff and OC and DCs? Good staff, OC is still a huge question mark though
His rapport with La. schools, coaches, players and families? See recruiting tidbit
He's gonna be an average coach, and will juggle between 8-4 and 10-2 for 3 or 4 years before he gets run off for not being able to beat Alabama.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 9:52 am to Eli Goldfinger
LSU isn't going to be happy with only 9 or 10 wins a year with nothing to show for it. He needs to compete for the West each year...not win it, but compete for it, and he'll be around. If not, then the admins will realize their mistake and he'll be gone after year three.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 9:52 am to JesusQuintana
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He's a coonass figurehead. You know it, I know it. He's there for display.
Is his headset turned on during gamedays?
What's wrong with that?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:42 am to DBU
Nothing really.
I actually think it was a pretty smart move.
I actually think it was a pretty smart move.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:46 am to Eli Goldfinger
Minimal expectations to be completely honest.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:47 am to Eli Goldfinger
We have the best coach in the SEC. It's national championship or bust for us now that the administration has the right people in the right places.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:59 am to Eli Goldfinger
Etling wasn't horrible...but they need more from the position. The horses are there on offense...just have to get them out of the corral. The defense will be nasty.
If Canada gets more from QB position then 10-2 pretty realistic.
If Same ole same ole from QB then 8-4 more likely
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If Canada gets more from QB position then 10-2 pretty realistic.
If Same ole same ole from QB then 8-4 more likely
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Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:01 am to BarnHater
Something that is impressive to me is that he has been around and a part of some of the most successful programs in college football history....Miami in the 90's..USC in the 2000's. And he now has had two successful stints as an interim coach that were really tough situations to be thrown into. I'm not ready to say he is a shitty head coach just yet.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:17 am to Che Boludo
Armytide here had one of the best thought out comments.
Honestly clock management. Organized well prepared team. Welcome changes from miles
Honestly clock management. Organized well prepared team. Welcome changes from miles
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:25 am to Genestealer55
I really don't know how Eaux will do. I'm pretty skeptical because if he is "successful," then the whole complicated procedure all colleges go through to hire a new coach is wrong... just hire an unemployed, passed over, sit at home, good ole boy with a bad record who is "one of us."
But the quote above is an example of colored glasses. No LSU did not have a top-3 recruiting class last year.. they were ranked 7th for whatever that means which is not much.
No the horses are not there on offense. The QB looks on the pedestrian side, the WRs, TEs, are unknown and lack experience, dropped a lot of passes, ran bad routes last year, and are in a program that has produced exactly one WR NFL draftee in the last three years, and he was 7th round.
There is exactly one RB and perhaps one OLman who is projected at this point to be all SEC in the first two teams. This of course can change but it certainly indicates saying "the horses are there" is wildly optimistic at best.
The defense may or may not be good, but it is a long way from confidently called "nasty." The entire defense structure is new, built on recruiting not designed for this system. DL thin on both talent and depth, no signature NT, lacks LBs, with half secondary new, young and questionable. When the DC is praising freshman LBs you know something is amiss. No SEC team can be confident in their defense starting true freshmen LBs.
If Eaux reaches 8-4 this year he will be on pace to expectations. But longer term an additional issue is apparent.
One of LSU's problems under Les was discipline. The weight room, the way the team acted and carried itself was a product of the player's culture back home in the river parishes. There was never a sense of a team molded to a purpose... There are some indications that individual culture is continued by Eaux. LFs actions during Florida game, also skipping rest of season and bowl game... the secondary laying down when instructed to do run support two years ago...
Eaux can only go so far with motivation speeches,and being "one of us," etc. His teams at Ole Miss and USC were pretty much a bunch of free lancers. In the SEC, you need more than talented free lancers to do much better than 8-4. We will see.
And I am no anti-LSU. Far from it. I just get amazed at the cluelessness of a lot of the fan base.
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The horses are there on offense...just have to get them out of the corral. The defense will be nasty.
But the quote above is an example of colored glasses. No LSU did not have a top-3 recruiting class last year.. they were ranked 7th for whatever that means which is not much.
No the horses are not there on offense. The QB looks on the pedestrian side, the WRs, TEs, are unknown and lack experience, dropped a lot of passes, ran bad routes last year, and are in a program that has produced exactly one WR NFL draftee in the last three years, and he was 7th round.
There is exactly one RB and perhaps one OLman who is projected at this point to be all SEC in the first two teams. This of course can change but it certainly indicates saying "the horses are there" is wildly optimistic at best.
The defense may or may not be good, but it is a long way from confidently called "nasty." The entire defense structure is new, built on recruiting not designed for this system. DL thin on both talent and depth, no signature NT, lacks LBs, with half secondary new, young and questionable. When the DC is praising freshman LBs you know something is amiss. No SEC team can be confident in their defense starting true freshmen LBs.
If Eaux reaches 8-4 this year he will be on pace to expectations. But longer term an additional issue is apparent.
One of LSU's problems under Les was discipline. The weight room, the way the team acted and carried itself was a product of the player's culture back home in the river parishes. There was never a sense of a team molded to a purpose... There are some indications that individual culture is continued by Eaux. LFs actions during Florida game, also skipping rest of season and bowl game... the secondary laying down when instructed to do run support two years ago...
Eaux can only go so far with motivation speeches,and being "one of us," etc. His teams at Ole Miss and USC were pretty much a bunch of free lancers. In the SEC, you need more than talented free lancers to do much better than 8-4. We will see.
And I am no anti-LSU. Far from it. I just get amazed at the cluelessness of a lot of the fan base.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:40 am to Jacknola
Jacknola, how would you fix our program and make us into champions?
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:05 pm to JesusQuintana
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I actually think it was a pretty smart move.
It's a smart move if both coordinators live up to their billing (Aranda sure as hell looked the part last year) and if we can continue to attract top-notch coordinators when the current ones inevitably move on to HC positions.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:41 pm to MetryTyger
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I would like to point out to everyone that my sig quote is from a post by...MetryTyger.
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This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 5/17/17 at 10:57 pm to Jacknola
I remember you saying pretty much the exact same thing about LSU's "D" one year ago. Then the tigers go LEAD the COUNTRY in fewest TDs allowed per game.
LSU's Dline is just as talented and maybe deeper than the tides. Remember the name Ed Alexander you will hear it quite a bit in the future. Rashard Lawrence, too.
Remember Debo Jones? First time starting LB as a SR. Blew up as a starter. Think he was rookie of the year or at least in the conversation.
How bout Duke Riley? Same as Jones. Had a great year as a first time SR starter. He was even drafted higher than all world tim Williams.
New name for '17 is Donnie Alexander. He will be starting at inside LB alongside Devin White. White will win post season SEC honors.
What true freshmen LBs do you speak of? Off the top of my head I can't think of a single true freshman LB that was there for the spring.
Secondary returns three starters with 5* recruits waiting in the wings for their shot at PT.
Considering that LSU has outrecruited bama as a whole on defense these last two classes tigers "D" looking good for the future.
As for LSU having a top 3 recruiting class. It could be he was talking about in SEC.
From what I saw the tigers were a much more disciplined team once CEO took over. Did have issues in the florida game though.
LSU's Dline is just as talented and maybe deeper than the tides. Remember the name Ed Alexander you will hear it quite a bit in the future. Rashard Lawrence, too.
Remember Debo Jones? First time starting LB as a SR. Blew up as a starter. Think he was rookie of the year or at least in the conversation.
How bout Duke Riley? Same as Jones. Had a great year as a first time SR starter. He was even drafted higher than all world tim Williams.
New name for '17 is Donnie Alexander. He will be starting at inside LB alongside Devin White. White will win post season SEC honors.
What true freshmen LBs do you speak of? Off the top of my head I can't think of a single true freshman LB that was there for the spring.
Secondary returns three starters with 5* recruits waiting in the wings for their shot at PT.
Considering that LSU has outrecruited bama as a whole on defense these last two classes tigers "D" looking good for the future.
As for LSU having a top 3 recruiting class. It could be he was talking about in SEC.
From what I saw the tigers were a much more disciplined team once CEO took over. Did have issues in the florida game though.
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