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Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:51 am to Hog on the Hill
Posted on 1/29/15 at 8:51 am to Hog on the Hill
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edit: Serious question: do you sincerely feel like your status as a white male in the United States has held you back from accomplishing your personal or professional goals?
I'm happy where I'm at, but I feel if I were a minority, I would've been able to go to a better school for my graduate studies. Whether the outcome would be better or not, I don't know. I do feel I had less opportunity because I was a poor white. (Irish)
Minorities at least get scholarships to help and benefit of the doubt in admissions if they have competitive scores. More so than a white because it seems like people just assume whites who aren't rednecks have $$$$.
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Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:03 am to lsusteltz16
I don't think you understand how major college admission works.
Take Harvard Law as an example. Having a 4.0 GPA and a 180 LSAT doesn't automatically guarantee you admission. It's about the other things you do and about who you know. The single most important factor in getting in is who your parents are.
It's much the same at MIT. There are enough applicants that they get to pick what they want. Compensation packages vary depending on how much they want you.
Do you just assume that every white person in a major school is there because his parents are rich and every non-white person is in a major school because they are non-white?
I think you overestimate the amount of students that get into these colleges based on purely academic merits
Students with superb academics are recruited by colleges. They get letters, phone calls and other perks. It's not much different from athletic recruiting, except the cash offers aren't under the table they're above it in the form of grants. If you're not being recruited by a college then you're going to get in based on "other criteria" Those criteria are typically the network of people you know and can support you.. and thus we have affirmative action, which was created to provide access to groups of people (the main group helped by AA is WOMEN) who don't have access to those same networks. Those networks are typically referred to as Good 'Ole Boy Networks.
Using your example, you might even make a comment about how Obama, who you feel wasn't even qualified to go to Harvard, finished near the top of his class
Take Harvard Law as an example. Having a 4.0 GPA and a 180 LSAT doesn't automatically guarantee you admission. It's about the other things you do and about who you know. The single most important factor in getting in is who your parents are.
It's much the same at MIT. There are enough applicants that they get to pick what they want. Compensation packages vary depending on how much they want you.
Do you just assume that every white person in a major school is there because his parents are rich and every non-white person is in a major school because they are non-white?
I think you overestimate the amount of students that get into these colleges based on purely academic merits
Students with superb academics are recruited by colleges. They get letters, phone calls and other perks. It's not much different from athletic recruiting, except the cash offers aren't under the table they're above it in the form of grants. If you're not being recruited by a college then you're going to get in based on "other criteria" Those criteria are typically the network of people you know and can support you.. and thus we have affirmative action, which was created to provide access to groups of people (the main group helped by AA is WOMEN) who don't have access to those same networks. Those networks are typically referred to as Good 'Ole Boy Networks.
Using your example, you might even make a comment about how Obama, who you feel wasn't even qualified to go to Harvard, finished near the top of his class
This post was edited on 1/29/15 at 9:07 am
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:04 am to KajunGator
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Bleeding-heart, white apologist, liberal a-holes like you are a big reason racism still exists today
Well, now I've seen everything.
Will you liberals please shut up so racism can die?
We had racism eradicated until you Whole Fooders decided that the racism vaccine causes autism and refused to give your kids the shot.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:23 am to BrerTiger
You know how you end racism, hold INDIVIDUALS accountable for their actions.
Slavery happened. Yes. But was I a part of it? Or You? If not, then slavery should not be an issue that we discuss as a reason for today's crimes.
People like Al Sharpton and the Westboro Baptist church are the reason we have divides.
People like MLK and Eminem are the reason we move forward.
People will always have prejudices...there is no way around it. There is not a single civilization in history that did not have some sort of divide with prejudice.
Prejudice happens everyday. Deal with it, Grow from it. Follow the Law. End of Story.
Slavery happened. Yes. But was I a part of it? Or You? If not, then slavery should not be an issue that we discuss as a reason for today's crimes.
People like Al Sharpton and the Westboro Baptist church are the reason we have divides.
People like MLK and Eminem are the reason we move forward.
People will always have prejudices...there is no way around it. There is not a single civilization in history that did not have some sort of divide with prejudice.
Prejudice happens everyday. Deal with it, Grow from it. Follow the Law. End of Story.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:31 am to Killean
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I'm guessing that the sum of your argument is that everybody else only has themselves to blame for not being the ones in charge and the privileged race
Liberal bed-wetters like you who excuse and refuse to blame a minority on any wrong doing by blaming 'racism' on mean old white people really do not do anyone any good.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:40 am to I-59 Tiger
the way this thread turned is probably a prime example of why the lawyers didn't want to include this in the trial.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:47 am to BrerTiger
quote:Sorry bro
"That's for 300 years of slavery, bitch."
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:48 am to BrerTiger
good ole boy who never done nothing wrong to nobody
and obviously he was misunderstood in the slavery comment...that could mean any number of things.
and obviously he was misunderstood in the slavery comment...that could mean any number of things.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:50 am to BrerTiger
He was a good boy, on the right track when suddenly natural selection kicked in....
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:56 am to lsusteltz16
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A hispanic guy that I work with had a kid with an SAT score of 1380 (on the old 1600 max scale) and a 3.9 GPA get into MIT. WHile 1380 and 3.9 is nothing to sneeze at, it isn't MIT worthy without him being Mexican.
Just sayin'''
As wrong as it is, this is why whenever I see a minority at a major school I automatically assume affirmative action.
There's a little bit of truth to that. Stanford is notorious for bending their standards for Hispanics. But I also know white people who I didn't think merited getting into schools like that who did.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 9:58 am to BrerTiger
Wow, comments like this, continue to make me wonder who really are the most racist of the races.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:02 am to I-59 Tiger
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Liberal bed-wetters like you who excuse and refuse to blame a minority on any wrong doing by blaming 'racism' on mean old white people really do not do anyone any good.
It's not black and white, if you'll pardon the expression.
Just because one group did something wrong doesn't mean the other group is right. The fact that he's an a-hole doesn't change the fact that you're an a-hole too.
This is real life. There doesn't have to be a right side and a wrong side. There can be two wrong sides or two right sides. Everything depends on perspective.. and I'd say that a lot of you never look outside your own.
Al Sharpton being a racist has no bearing on whether or not you're a racist.
I wonder how many of you are old enough to remember when "liberal" media was "jewish" media. (It still is in white supremacy groups).
Another interesting note: Modern Terrorism was born in the European Revolutions of 1848. (Karl Heinzen, who lived in Germany and then the United States is considered the father by a lot of experts) Those revolutions were a series of conflicts between liberals and conservatives. Liberals at the time were the free market capitalists and the conservatives were the aristocracy. After those revolutions, many of the defeated liberals fled to the United States and helped lead to the American Civil War.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:05 am to Killean
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There doesn't have to be a right side and a wrong side
Do you think Batey, the Vanderbilt player was right in his actions towards this young woman?Can you hold a minority accountable for his or her actions?
Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:08 am to I-59 Tiger
I don't think being white or black has a bearing on his actions. He's a rapist and he's going to prison.
I'm also pretty sure that they didn't introduce the hate crime charges because it was a mixed race group and the rape charges were a slam dunk with the evidence.
The real question is can you hold him accountable for his actions without focusing on the fact that he's a minority.
I'm also pretty sure that they didn't introduce the hate crime charges because it was a mixed race group and the rape charges were a slam dunk with the evidence.
The real question is can you hold him accountable for his actions without focusing on the fact that he's a minority.
This post was edited on 1/29/15 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:10 am to Killean
But can you hold a minority accountable for his or her actions? Your posts in this thread seem to indicate that you will excuse anything away due to racism by whites.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:13 am to Killean
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The fact that he's an a-hole doesn't change the fact that you're an a-hole too.
The difference is, I'll gladly admit to being an a-hole (it's one of my better qualities.)
Acting as though someone has a justifiable excuse to act like an a-hole whenever they please without having to be held accountable...that's just plain stupid
Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:14 am to BrerTiger
Sounds like a Hate Crime to me.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:16 am to Killean
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The real question is can you hold him accountable for his actions without focusing on the fact that he's a minority
I think the real answer is you will not hold someone who is a minority accountable for his or her actions.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:17 am to I-59 Tiger
No, that's what you're taking from it just because I don't think white people are automatically guiltless just like black people aren't automatically guilty.
The first guy made the argument that all of the problems that black people face is because of other black people. That's a retarded argument. Quit trying to pass the buck and actually accept some responsibility for some of the world's problems and try to fix it rather than blaming everybody else for things being bad.
These are independent facts that can exist all at the same time:
1. Batey is a rapist and deserves to be in prison a long time.
2. Black people often cause problems for the black community.
3. Racism exists and it is a problem.
4. People who blame racism for things aren't always right.
5. People who blame racism for things aren't always wrong.
6. Racism can exist between any group.
7. Being a minority doesn't mean you're immune from being a racist.
8. Having minority friends doesn't mean you're not a racist.
9. EXTREMISTS in all religions and groups are the problem.
The first guy made the argument that all of the problems that black people face is because of other black people. That's a retarded argument. Quit trying to pass the buck and actually accept some responsibility for some of the world's problems and try to fix it rather than blaming everybody else for things being bad.
These are independent facts that can exist all at the same time:
1. Batey is a rapist and deserves to be in prison a long time.
2. Black people often cause problems for the black community.
3. Racism exists and it is a problem.
4. People who blame racism for things aren't always right.
5. People who blame racism for things aren't always wrong.
6. Racism can exist between any group.
7. Being a minority doesn't mean you're immune from being a racist.
8. Having minority friends doesn't mean you're not a racist.
9. EXTREMISTS in all religions and groups are the problem.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 10:17 am to Killean
As far as the leg up that underrepresented minorities enjoy in academic admissions, I suggest folks check out the scatter plots on lawschoolnumbers.com. It's kind of fascinating.
That said, I understand WHY URMs are given the leg up--to level the playing field against people with other advantages (educated or well connected parents). Just not sure that I agree with it.
That said, I understand WHY URMs are given the leg up--to level the playing field against people with other advantages (educated or well connected parents). Just not sure that I agree with it.
This post was edited on 1/29/15 at 10:18 am
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