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vacate vs forfeit
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:43 am
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:43 am
I see several claims that if cam is ineligible AU will vacate the wins not forfeit. why is this assumed? I believe every other situation where wins have been vacated it was after the season was over where it would have been extremely problematic to recalculate the wins/ losses/ and championships for every team on the guilty teams schedule.
if this gets resolved soon ( and it might not but hasn't exactly slowed down any either) I could see AU having to forfeit rather than vacate.
if this gets resolved soon ( and it might not but hasn't exactly slowed down any either) I could see AU having to forfeit rather than vacate.
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Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:45 am to drexyl
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I believe every other situation where wins have been vacated it was after the season was over where it would have been extremely problematic to recalculate the wins/ losses/ and championships for every team on the guilty teams schedule.
That's because the information never comes out until after the season's over. This is a rare case.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:45 am to drexyl
If it is determined during this season that Cam is ineligible them the wins are forfeited if it is after the season they are vacated
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:46 am to drexyl
i think it may come down to the fact of auburn having knowledge of him being ineligible. If they knew and played him, Forfeit, if not, Vacate. Who knows, who cares... Cam will steal your underwear.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:46 am to drexyl
graet point, and i think theres a lot of speculation going both ways.
I dont think anyone has offered anything conclusive either way, so we may not know until it unfolds.
Surely ESPN will raise the question and answer it incorrectly at some point.
I dont think anyone has offered anything conclusive either way, so we may not know until it unfolds.
Surely ESPN will raise the question and answer it incorrectly at some point.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:46 am to drexyl
has there ever been a case of forfeited wins?
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:46 am to TigerDat
quote:thats my understanding.
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If it is determined during this season that Cam is ineligible them the wins are forfeited if it is after the season they are vacated
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:47 am to TigerDat
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If it is determined during this season that Cam is ineligible them the wins are forfeited if it is after the season they are vacated
Do forfeits give the losing team a win? A game towards bowl eligibility?
Just curious.
This post was edited on 11/12/10 at 11:48 am
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:48 am to inelishaitrust
I highly doubt, they turn Ls into Ws.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:49 am to castorinho
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I highly doubt, they turn Ls into Ws.
vacation doesn't, but I think forfeits do.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:50 am to castorinho
doubt it all you want if the man is ineligible during the season the results are forfeits!
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:55 am to cigtyme
It happens all the time in high school athletics. Team goes 6-0, getting ready for the playoffs, one kid gets ruled ineligible and suddenly they're 0-6 with no playoff hopes.
Happened last year with Justin Hunter's team in Va.
Happened last year with Justin Hunter's team in Va.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:56 am to usc6158
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has there ever been a case of forfeited wins?
Yes. That used to be quite common. They've gone to "vacating" now. That happened sometime around 2005 or so.
Technically, Alabama was 1-12 in 1993. Mississippi State was 0-11 in the mid70's for some stuff as well as other teams.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:58 am to JG77056
I said I doubt they turn the Ls of their opponents into Ws. Their Ws wil certainly become losses
As for this quote, many ppl have been saying it but is there an NCAA link or past example we can base this on?
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If it is determined during this season that Cam is ineligible them the wins are forfeited if it is after the season they are vacated
As for this quote, many ppl have been saying it but is there an NCAA link or past example we can base this on?
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:58 am to I-59 Tiger
quote:but isn't that always in the case of the ineligible player coming out after one or two seasons have already passed? if this happens during the season I could see them making AU forfeit.
Yes. That used to be quite common. They've gone to "vacating" now. That happened sometime around 2005 or so.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 12:00 pm to drexyl
According to this story, the game is forfeited if the violation is found during the season
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Towson University announced yesterday that it has forfeited its only Patriot League win this year over Holy Cross because it used a player who is academically ineligible
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Towson reported the violation to the NCAA and the Patriot League.
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Posted on 11/12/10 at 12:02 pm to drexyl
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but isn't that always in the case of the ineligible player coming out after one or two seasons have already passed? if this happens during the season I could see them making AU forfeit.
I think timing may prevent that. To actually forfeit immediately, IMO its going to have to be proven rather swiftly that Auburn knew what was going on and shouldn't have played him.
The only thing off the top of my head I can remember is Tulane, of all teams, playing Wally English's son Jon when he was ineligble in 1983 and had transferring issues where Tulane in-season had to forfeit wins over Ole Miss and Florida State.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 12:25 pm to Cochise
quote:Cam as an underpants gnome... To the Fark Board!
Cam will steal your underwear.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 12:29 pm to usc6158
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has there ever been a case of forfeited wins?
Yes I know that Tulane forfeited a game to Fla. State, it counted as one of Bowden's wins
Posted on 11/12/10 at 10:42 pm to I-59 Tiger
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To actually forfeit immediately, IMO its going to have to be proven rather swiftly that Auburn knew what was going on and shouldn't have played him.
Cam Newton will be declared ineligible.
these are the facts:
1 - Kenny Rogers is an agent who matches HS athletes with colleges and has a questionable rep
2 - Cam's father has admitted to knowing Rogers for several years and meeting with him on Cam's official visit to MSU
3 - Rogers has admitted to being involved in a pay-4-play scheme representing Cam Newton at MSU
4 - Cam's father admits to asking for money if Cam played at MSU
5 - the MSU AD released a statement confirming this as well
6 - there are witnesses and phone records to support these things and more
therefore, according to NCAA rules, Cam is ineligible whether or not he admits to knowing about this pay-4-play scheme ... based on this:
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per NCAA rules.."it shall be a violation if any student-athlete or any party in connection to a student-athlete, whether such actions are implicit or explicit, demands or receives compensation for their participation in athletic contests for a member institution. Such activity shall result in said student-athlete's exclusion of eligibility."
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