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USA Today: Investigation still underway - sorry if Germans
Posted on 12/2/10 at 7:50 am
Posted on 12/2/10 at 7:50 am
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Q. Does this mean the NCAA investigation is over?
A. No. We're talking about two different processes and departments within the NCAA. The reinstatement staff looked specifically at whether the father's actions with Mississippi State were enough to raise eligibility problems for Newton.
It determined that his father, Cecil Newton, indeed committed an infraction, leading Auburn to declare the quarterback ineligible and immediately ask the NCAA to reinstate him. There was no evidence Cam was aware of his father's actions or that money changed hands, and so the NCAA reinstated him "without conditions."
The father has had his "access" to the Auburn program limited, but that was a school decision and what it means is not clear. Spokesman Kirk Sampson said the school would not comment beyond the athletics director's statement.
All that is based, as NCAA vice president Kevin Lennon said, "on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time." The NCAA's enforcement staff also has been investigating, and Lennon noted its actions are "independent." Should more evidence come to light involving Auburn, there could be later repercussions, as with the Reggie Bush case, which led to Southern California vacating several victories and Bush returning the Heisman Trophy.
This post was edited on 12/2/10 at 7:51 am
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Posted on 12/2/10 at 7:55 am to superman
What this means is that unless tapes magically appear through the forest of "bloodyunlikely" that have Cam's voice on them discussing pay for play or any Auburn staff member or booster discussing pay for play, then yeah, it's over in regards to Auburn and Cam's eligibility. Miss St isn't in the clear yet, and THAT is where the investigation is going.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 7:55 am to superman
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Should more evidence come to light involving Auburn, there could be later repercussions
Well no shite. But that can also be read that based on the REAL evidence the NCAA currently have that no further action against Cam or Auburn is being pursued.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 7:57 am to BMW7SERIES
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What this means is that unless tapes magically appear through the forest of "bloodyunlikely" that have Cam's voice on them discussing pay for play or any Auburn staff member or booster discussing pay for play, then yeah, it's over in regards to Auburn and Cam's eligibility. Miss St isn't in the clear yet, and THAT is where the investigation is going.
It will not require tapes. All it will require is a money trail or one person who knew what was going on to talk about it (if P4P was going on).
I do not agree at all that MSU is "where the investigation is going". Auburn is not in the clear. Cam is - at this point - but long term, Neither Cam, Cecil, or Auburn are in the clear.
Committee on Infractions =/= Reinstatement committee.
Notice that it has been pointed out that both of those "committees" work completely separately of each other.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 7:58 am to MTurbo
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Well no shite. But that can also be read that based on the REAL evidence the NCAA currently have that no further action against Cam or Auburn is being pursued.
Exactly. Which means, Tapes or STFU.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 7:58 am to superman
"from the time the NCAA initially receives information into possible violations until the school is presented with a formal notification of charges, the average time has been around 11 months. "Some are less than that," she said. "Some are longer."
-NCAA vice president of enforcement Julie Roe Lach
-NCAA vice president of enforcement Julie Roe Lach
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Posted on 12/2/10 at 7:59 am to MTurbo
Since when does the bylaw state that the player had to have knowledge of the solicitation of funds for him to be deemed ineligible? Am I missing something?
The NCAA knows the solicitation took place, the bylaw states that soliciting funds is an infraction. How is Cam eligible?
The pounding the NCAA is taking in the press for the loophole precedent they have now set will cause them to react to this situation again IMO.
The NCAA knows the solicitation took place, the bylaw states that soliciting funds is an infraction. How is Cam eligible?
The pounding the NCAA is taking in the press for the loophole precedent they have now set will cause them to react to this situation again IMO.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 8:02 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
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the bylaw states that soliciting funds is an infraction
And what bylaw is that?
Posted on 12/2/10 at 8:04 am to superman
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It will not require tapes. All it will require is a money trail or one person who knew what was going on to talk about it (if P4P was going on).
I do not agree at all that MSU is "where the investigation is going". Auburn is not in the clear. Cam is - at this point - but long term, Neither Cam, Cecil, or Auburn are in the clear.
Committee on Infractions =/= Reinstatement committee.
Notice that it has been pointed out that both of those "committees" work completely separately of each other.
You only disagree with me because your hatred for Auburn has blinded you to rational thought processes. I once thought like you do and naively believed that Gadsden was the bomb that was going to drop and destroy the bama football program. It was not. And nor will this destroy the Auburn program.
Again, Miss St was the program who self-reported their own dirty deeds (done dirt cheap) with their boosters and pay for play. That's where the investigation will go for now.
That being said, is it possible that the COI could unearth something on AU, possible, but at THIS moment, they have not and no compelling evidence exists that would say otherwise.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 8:05 am to MTurbo
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And what bylaw is that?
This one.
NCAA rules (Bylaw 12.3.3) do not allow individuals (Cecil Newton) or entities to represent a prospective student-athlete (Cam Newton) for compensation to a school for an athletic scholarship.
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Posted on 12/2/10 at 8:06 am to MTurbo
I believe the FBI will be the entity who will break open the case with their findings.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 8:07 am to FTBLFN
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the average time has been around 11 months. "Some are less than that," she said. "Some are longer."
Average is 11 months. Self-reporting occurred in January 2010 conclusion was reached December 2010.
Tapes or STFU.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 8:10 am to BMW7SERIES
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I once thought like you do and naively believed that Gadsden was the bomb that was going to drop and destroy the bama football program. It was not. And nor will this destroy the Auburn program.
For what it's worth - this ordeal is about 10x that of the Gadsden drama. Auburn fans hired some private investigators to take pictures of recruits' parents driving around in nice cars, and then sent those pictures to the NCAA. In this situation, you have all 3 people directly involved (Bonds, Rogers, Cecil). plus Auburn admitting that "solicitation" took place.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 8:14 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
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for compensation to a school for an athletic scholarship
This is where there's a gray area. "To a school." Does that mean just to the school that was offering money? Does that mean to any school?
I know what you'll say but the problem with that bylaw is that it is open to interpretation. Which is why "with the evidence they have now" the NCAA can not rule Cam Newton ineligible as a member of the Auburn football team. If NEW evidence comes out that proves Cam/Cecil took money FROM Auburn, then that's where you can clearly get in trouble.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 8:16 am to superman
Whew...glad you got some good news superman.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 8:16 am to piggidyphish
Thanks 
Posted on 12/2/10 at 8:16 am to superman
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For what it's worth - this ordeal is about 10x that of the Gadsden drama. Auburn fans hired some private investigators to take pictures of recruits' parents driving around in nice cars, and then sent those pictures to the NCAA. In this situation, you have all 3 people directly involved (Bonds, Rogers, Cecil). plus Auburn admitting that "solicitation" took place.
That's the key - AU admits Cecil is a pimp.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 8:17 am to BMW7SERIES
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the problem with that bylaw is that it is open to interpretation
It's open to a lot of interpretation.
NCAA rules (Bylaw 12.3.3) do not allow individuals or entities to represent a prospective student-athlete FOR COMPENSATION to a school for an athletic scholarship.
Was Cecil Newton ever compensated? Did money ever change hands?
Posted on 12/2/10 at 8:19 am to RT1941
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AU admits Cecil is a pimp
Then he's a broke pimp because it doesn't appear he got money from anyone. Meanwhile his ho is out there running over every defense he's faced.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 8:20 am to MTurbo
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Was Cecil Newton ever compensated? Did money ever change hands?
It is certainly open to interpretation, but I'll have to search for the bylaw that specifically mentions solicitation (I believe I have read it here), regardless of whether or not anything was received.
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