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re: Two More Teams To The SEC....Who And When Is The Question
Posted on 12/11/13 at 1:00 pm to Majin Buu
Posted on 12/11/13 at 1:00 pm to Majin Buu
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Clemson and FSU
... ain't never gonna happen. Not ever. I wish people would even quit bringing-it-up because it ain't never gonna happen.
Do people that include those two actually realize what they are suggesting?
Let's take a look at it with the hopes that it'll be put to rest.
Neither school adds much to the TV market footprint.
FSU had their chance and blew it - they've already let it be known that they are prima donnas and would expect the conference to bow to them and lick their boots before accepting an invite.
Clemson could have bolted from the ACC alongside SCAR, as they promised to do but backed-out at the last second.
SCAR, FSU and UGA and probably Tennessee would all veto any chance of Ga Tech, FSU or Clemson being allowed membership.
Neither program would add to the SEC's recruiting footprint.
Both programs are currently and summarily despised by at least half of the SEC's member institutions. Both have nefarious histories in terms of NCAA sanctions and/or ethical questions constantly surrounding their programs.
Neither would add anything academically to the conference.
Both programs have incredibly obnoxious fan bases ... that may be a plus in the eyes of some but, in fact, they would take it to a whole new level.
And the bottom line is that the SEC wants into the North Carolina and Virginia markets. Both are natural fits, both would add men's and women's basketball to the conference, both play damn decent baseball and both are predominantly football schools ... I'm referring to "both" as NC State and Va Tech.
Furthermore, both actually want into the SEC. Both would jump the ACC for the SEC in a heartbeat.
NC State would be the real coup. They've got the RTP TV market, excellent facilities and great fans. Va Tech would also be a far better get than UVA and besides, UVA is not going to leave the ACC. They are part of the tobacco road hierarchy.
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 1:17 pm
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 1:16 pm to beejon
Yes, this topic is not Germans. It's beyond Germans, and is :beatdeadhorse:
Forget "Germans bombed Pearl Harbor." This goes waaaaaay back. The Germans didn't even exist. This is "Teutons stoned Noreia."
So, in short:
Teutons
Forget "Germans bombed Pearl Harbor." This goes waaaaaay back. The Germans didn't even exist. This is "Teutons stoned Noreia."
So, in short:
Teutons
Posted on 12/11/13 at 1:19 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Teutons
A well educated Aggie. The Teutons are not referenced often enough around here.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 1:23 pm to AUCE05
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Texas, the melt would be fantastic.
We'd leave. So would Aggie. So should you all.
Biggest bastards in the world. You don't need them in the SEC. It would be like having made the most fantastic pot of chili that you could ever imagine, and putting motor oil in it and crapping in it.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 1:25 pm to beejon
We are already the best football and baseball conference so I think adding 2 traditional basketball powers is the way to go. Pick two of UNC, Duke or Kansas and call it a day.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 1:30 pm to marshallcotiger
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We are already the best football and baseball conference so I think adding 2 traditional basketball powers is the way to go. Pick two of UNC, Duke or Kansas and call it a day.
It's not just about picking ... it's about strategically going-after, and acquiring, two programs that would fit well into the SEC while adding what we need to increase our footprint in both TV markets and fertile recruiting areas.
So, no to Kansas right off.
And Duke and UNC run the ACC so neither of them will ever leave their pedestals.
No fans have a better understanding of Duke and UNC than we old time SCAR fans ... you do not want Duke and UNC in the SEC. It would be the worst possible thing you could imagine. They are not like the rest of us. They would never split from one another and they would add the RTP and the NC market but nothing else - they practically sit on top of one another. They are conjoined twins for all practical purposes.
Basketball is not the number one most important consideration when talking about future SEC expansion, not by a long shot.
First and foremost is football, how much support does a fanbase illustrate for its football program. UNC maybe puts 40k in their stadium for home games and Duke boasts far fewer. Neither would be a good fit for the SEC.
NC State and Va Tech on the other hand ... they both pack their stadiums and have good football history.
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 12/11/13 at 1:45 pm to scrooster
i agree that NC and VA are the 2 states that make the most sense but how much do you really add by including NC State? I don't really know much about them and always thought of them as 3rd fiddle in terms of followers in NC.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 1:48 pm to beejon
Never and no one.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 1:50 pm to scrooster
UVA and UNC are the jewels though and it isn't close. They aren't leaving though unless the ACC is dead though, but I think it would a chain reaction anyway.
UNC and UVA (esp) are not good cultural fits with the SEC but they are still Southern and they carry a big stick. Both bring their states. Both are Top 10 Public Universities (if not Top 5). Both have ridiculous amounts of money and power. Both have very well rounded athletic programs.
Neither is a football power but that really doesn't matter as much as you think. Either COULD be a football power if they chose to be. NC and VA are good football states with plenty of talent. Either school simply has to decide to invest in their football program and they could become powerful in short order.
NC State would be terrible. They haven't won even the ACC in football since 1979. They would be cannon fodder for the SEC East. They have very nice fans and fit culturally but they simply aren't great at anything. There is also the HUGE problem that they are a branch of UNC and UNC controls their Board. No freaking way do you allow a school in the SEC that is technically controlled by a school in another conference.
VTech has great fans and nice football tradition. That's about it. They are about where NC State is academically (decent but not AAU) and they aren't great at any other sport. It's not like they are a football power either and they would be heavily out resourced in the SEC East. Who knows what will happen to their program at all once Beamer retires (he's 67 now).
Remember that conference alignment is about the long term and not the short term. You want the programs most likely to be a benefit to your conference 10 years and 20 years from now, not just who has won some football games lately.
UNC and UVA (esp) are not good cultural fits with the SEC but they are still Southern and they carry a big stick. Both bring their states. Both are Top 10 Public Universities (if not Top 5). Both have ridiculous amounts of money and power. Both have very well rounded athletic programs.
Neither is a football power but that really doesn't matter as much as you think. Either COULD be a football power if they chose to be. NC and VA are good football states with plenty of talent. Either school simply has to decide to invest in their football program and they could become powerful in short order.
NC State would be terrible. They haven't won even the ACC in football since 1979. They would be cannon fodder for the SEC East. They have very nice fans and fit culturally but they simply aren't great at anything. There is also the HUGE problem that they are a branch of UNC and UNC controls their Board. No freaking way do you allow a school in the SEC that is technically controlled by a school in another conference.
VTech has great fans and nice football tradition. That's about it. They are about where NC State is academically (decent but not AAU) and they aren't great at any other sport. It's not like they are a football power either and they would be heavily out resourced in the SEC East. Who knows what will happen to their program at all once Beamer retires (he's 67 now).
Remember that conference alignment is about the long term and not the short term. You want the programs most likely to be a benefit to your conference 10 years and 20 years from now, not just who has won some football games lately.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 1:52 pm to beejon
Obviously North Carolina State and Virginia Tech seem to be the logical choices, but the off the wall pick has to be Central Florida.
Second largest university in the nation despite only being 40 years old, gaining a lot of support despite a small alumni base, and has been competitive for a few years now, and is in a BCS game this year.
Second largest university in the nation despite only being 40 years old, gaining a lot of support despite a small alumni base, and has been competitive for a few years now, and is in a BCS game this year.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 1:55 pm to Warfarer
Me too...but it will never happen. UF will block FSU. UGA will block GT. USC will block Clemson. Any of those teams ever get considered, there are 3 votes against among these 3 programs. Sure they would be able to muster remaining needed vote to block any of the 3 mentioned teams.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 2:08 pm to Dick Leverage
Follow the ACC game plan of 14 football, 1 no football and invite
Virginia Commonwealth University
Facts
enrollment 23,000 undergrad
6,000 post grad
Endowment: $438 Million
Established: 1838
Location: Richmond- does it get more southern than that?
so they don't have a football team, who cares.
Virginia Commonwealth University
Facts
enrollment 23,000 undergrad
6,000 post grad
Endowment: $438 Million
Established: 1838
Location: Richmond- does it get more southern than that?
so they don't have a football team, who cares.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 4:09 pm to beejon
Oklahoma (screw aTm if they can't take the competition) and one of the Kansas schools to the West. Move Mizzou to the West. Move the 2 Alabama teams to the East.
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