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Top 8, first and third, no outs, down 2-1, no bunt?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:30 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:30 am
It's probably been cussed and discussed ad nauseam, but what is your opinion on why the LSU coach didn't bunt the run in, given that situation? Just seems crazy to me.
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:29 pm to troyt37
No opinions or insights, just downvotes. Whatever. Wasn't a troll question. Hell, my team didn't win their own regional.
Just seems there is a reason that the bunt would be the expected play, because with a little execution, it's almost impossible to keep that run from scoring. Coaches from Little League to MLB would have been bunting there. Nobody has an opinion or insight as to why Mainieri didn't?
Just seems there is a reason that the bunt would be the expected play, because with a little execution, it's almost impossible to keep that run from scoring. Coaches from Little League to MLB would have been bunting there. Nobody has an opinion or insight as to why Mainieri didn't?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:48 pm to troyt37
Should have bunted, no question. We had 3 chances with less than 2 outs to get the tying run in (Pap, Dup, Deichman) and didn't. At least one of those 3 should have been a safety squeeze.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:10 pm to JPLSU1981
I disagree. You don't play for the tie when you're the visiting team, especially in the eighth inning. Your run expectancy amount in an inning is greatly reduced when you bunt. You play for one run, that's usually what you get, or less. LSU doesn't bunt much during the season, and so then you're asking guys to do something they're not using to doing. And I'm not taking the bat out of the hands of those three guys you mentioned. I want my good and/or hot hitters to do damage swinging away.
I'm not bunting unless it's a tie game in the eighth or ninth or if I'm bunting for a base hit. Otherwise, you're needlessly giving the other team an out. Considering how many extra outs LSU gave away on defense and how many outs LSU gave up on the base paths, why give away another out at the plate?
I'm not bunting unless it's a tie game in the eighth or ninth or if I'm bunting for a base hit. Otherwise, you're needlessly giving the other team an out. Considering how many extra outs LSU gave away on defense and how many outs LSU gave up on the base paths, why give away another out at the plate?
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:30 pm to roger79
I guess it's a philosophy difference, but at that point LSU was playing for another game, Florida was playing for a championship.
LSU had scored 1 run in 7 innings, down to 6 outs, and scoring one more meant a tie ball game. Among other things, this probably keeps Florida's stud pitcher out of the game. At the very least, you aren't hitting into a double play, and pretty much ending the best scoring opportunity you've had the entire game.
LSU had scored 1 run in 7 innings, down to 6 outs, and scoring one more meant a tie ball game. Among other things, this probably keeps Florida's stud pitcher out of the game. At the very least, you aren't hitting into a double play, and pretty much ending the best scoring opportunity you've had the entire game.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:40 pm to troyt37
Hindsight is 20-20.
They had men on first and third with 0 outs in two straight innings. The statistical likelihood of not scoring in either scenario swinging away is ridiculously low.
LSU was trying to win the game, not tie it. It took amazing plays from Florida and bad mistakes by LSU to make it so a run didn't score in either inning.
They had men on first and third with 0 outs in two straight innings. The statistical likelihood of not scoring in either scenario swinging away is ridiculously low.
LSU was trying to win the game, not tie it. It took amazing plays from Florida and bad mistakes by LSU to make it so a run didn't score in either inning.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:07 pm to troyt37
In the 7th we had Pap at the plate with no outs. Pap is not a good bunter and has handled the bat well. Anything besides a groudout to the pitcher or a weak pop out gets the run home. We didn't get that run because a freshman made a stupid mistake sliding into second.
In the 8th Duplantis was at the plate. He has the second least struck outs on the team. Again, he handles the bat great and only needs to hit a ground ball to get the run home. Obviously, that didn't happen, but I like his chances there. If you safety squeeze you still risk the runner being thrown out at the plate or, worse, a bunt that is popped up.
In the 8th Duplantis was at the plate. He has the second least struck outs on the team. Again, he handles the bat great and only needs to hit a ground ball to get the run home. Obviously, that didn't happen, but I like his chances there. If you safety squeeze you still risk the runner being thrown out at the plate or, worse, a bunt that is popped up.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:11 pm to slayerxing
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Hindsight is 20-20.
That's a cop-out in this situation, thus the reason for my post. The overwhelming majority of coaches from LL to MLB do everything possible to get that run across and tie the game. By any means necessary. If you can score more after that, great, but you have to tie the game with only 6 outs left in your season.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:36 pm to troyt37
I'm not bunting there.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:57 pm to auisssa
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I'm not bunting there.
Obviously, neither was Mainieri. Didn't work out too well. Sure seems like the obvious, normal, safe, productive move. Execute there, and you have a tie game, one maybe 2 outs (if the first batter can't get it done) runner at second. You also have Florida's planned game 3 pitcher in the bullpen, where you want him. I just don't see the downside.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 5:58 pm to troyt37
The play was the right one. The execution was terrible.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:23 pm to Cjscore
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The play was the right one. The execution was terrible.
There was no play to execute that I saw. Look like there was an expectation to score the run from 3rd by simply playing ball. Nothing was done to score that run, other than sending a fresh batter to the box. Just doesn't seem like a rational thought by an experienced coach to me. Stud pitcher was warming up the previous inning when LSU scored. You had to know he was coming if you didn't push that run across.
Anyway, I just thought someone might have some insight into Mainieri's philosophy in similar situations. Befuddles me.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:41 pm to troyt37
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I just don't see the downside.
Pop up bunt DP.
Runner thrown out at home.
Two batters failing to get the bunt down.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:43 pm to UpToPar
People act like the sacrafuice squeeze is a guaranteed run scored and very normal in baseball, but many times the play falls flat on its face and you end with your tying runner out
Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:10 pm to ChiaTiger
I'm just acting like a good majority of baseball coaches would try to bunt that run in, in that situation. It makes sense, and probably is the statistical best move to make. Mainieri broke with all that. I was just wondering if there was an actual thought behind it, beyond "we'll score that run by just playing."
Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:39 pm to slayerxing
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They had men on first and third with 0 outs in two straight innings. The statistical likelihood of not scoring in either scenario swinging away is ridiculously low.
Bunting there would be a sign of brain damage
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:15 pm to ChiaTiger
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Top 8, first and third, no outs, down 2-1, no bunt?
People act like the sacrafuice squeeze is a guaranteed run scored and very normal in baseball, but many times the play falls flat on its face and you end with your tying runner out
I agree.
I'm just a casual CWS observer more than someone who watches a lot of college baseball but I was surprised at how many players throughout the CWS were having a lot of trouble getting a bunt down.
Florida had about three or four failed bunt attempts over the two games with LSU.
Maybe it's that they just don't bunt a lot during the regular season and then seem a bit lost (bad mechanics) against a good pitcher in a pressure situation?
Not sure if the LSU batter had been asked to bunt a lot during the season.
If not, I wouldn't have put the odds all that high he gets it down in a squeeze situation in the 8th inning of a CWS final.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:24 pm to auisssa
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I'm not bunting there.
I am no baseball guy but I have to say with the wind blowing like it was bunting would seem to be the best option.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 9:19 pm to wm72
I think this has something to do with it
That said, I was begging for us to do it, both the 7th and especially the 8th. Don't care about all the other metrics, Florida was ahead and it felt like we were going uphill all damn game. I thought that if we could have tied it, the game would break differently, and we'd have all the late momentum (and would be playing tonight).
Not getting that run broke our backs.
quote:Don't know about Fla, but LSU doesn't bunt worth a flip.
Maybe it's that they just don't bunt a lot during the regular season and then seem a bit lost (bad mechanics)
That said, I was begging for us to do it, both the 7th and especially the 8th. Don't care about all the other metrics, Florida was ahead and it felt like we were going uphill all damn game. I thought that if we could have tied it, the game would break differently, and we'd have all the late momentum (and would be playing tonight).
Not getting that run broke our backs.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 2:12 am to troyt37
Bunting isn't really in play here unless you have a unique situation that really favors you.
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