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re: To all my Arkanas Razorback fans.

Posted on 8/8/09 at 5:09 pm to
Posted by bcshog
arkansas
Member since Jul 2009
1579 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 5:09 pm to
quote:

troyt37


Not to give WRT any ammo, but

While at Arkansas Nutt did

Beat Miss 4 in a row
Beat USC 3 in a row
Beat Miss St 9 in a row

So it's rare, but yet Nutt has done it.

That being said, they will probably beat us this year, but not 2010.
Posted by wildrebeltime
Little Rock
Member since May 2009
2058 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 5:38 pm to
Troyt37 if the rosters coming back for 2010 shape up about the way I think they will I think Ole miss has about a 60% chance to win that 2010 game. Ole miss will still be very strong in the D-line, very strong in the running game, very strong in O-line,

well, about the only place they are going to be rebuilding is Quarterback so that's a game "Hootie" will just run over us.

If we can keep Alfred Davis, DD Jones, Bequette, some of those guys healthy and bring in a couple decent juco's (which unfortunatly we'll have to b/c Petrino struck out at D-line this year) then we have a chance. Otherwise, I think Hootie treats us about as bad as he did mississippi state all those years.

He's been pretty cocky about it on the radio . Talking about how Ole miss was easier to recruit too. and when he talks about the good teams it's always Bama and LSU, no mention of ark.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 5:41 pm to
I get the feeling tht wrt thinks his opinion is alot more important then it really is.
Posted by bcshog
arkansas
Member since Jul 2009
1579 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 6:01 pm to
quote:

If we can keep Alfred Davis, DD Jones, Bequette, some of those guys healthy and bring in a couple decent juco's (which unfortunatly we'll have to b/c Petrino struck out at D-line this year)

Returning DL , the ones with stars were recruited by BP and stars indicate their rating out of HS

Colton Nash ***
Jake Bequette
DeQuinta Jones ****
Chris Berezansky
Patrick Jones
Ryan Calender
Robert Thomas
Lavunce Askew ***
Zach Stadther ***
Ryan Calender ***


2010 DL commit

Jeremiah Jackson ***



I suppose you could say that five out of 50 players recruited is striking out at a position , IF you're used to Houston Nutt recruiting where the philosophy is focus on one position need and sign 15 guys for that position and pretend like the other positions don't exist for that year, BUT when you're trying to recruit to an overall plan and have consistent depth at EVERY position and when your predecessor left you nothing at the QB,WR,and DB positions, you have to focus differently.

You are quickly proving that your football knowledge is as slim as Nutt's chances of every winning a national championship.

quote:

Talking about how Ole miss was easier to recruit too


Misspelled form of to aside. I would have to agree, OM must be easier to recruit to because the buffoon pulled in the 18th best class in the nation in 2009, something he never managed at Arkansas, the problem for him is that Bobby Petrino pulled in the 16th best class in the nation at Arkansas, destroying Nutt's cover story that 22nd or so was the best Arkansas could ever do.

quote:

when he talks about the good teams it's always Bama and LSU, no mention of ark


Proof of both his stupidity and his tackiness. First of all, every other coach in the SEC acknowledges that BP is building a winner in Arkansas, but not Nutt he's gotta get his little jibes in. Second of all, do you hear a areal professional coach that has also moved from one SECW team to another, Nick Satan, making stupid and childish remarks about his former team? No of course not. This is just more Nutt arse clownery.

Enjoy him.

OH PS

quote:

then we have a chance
Stop even pretending. It's very disingenuous, at least have the balls to root for your team, err coach.
Posted by wildrebeltime
Little Rock
Member since May 2009
2058 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 6:18 pm to
What I mean is the interior line is weak already and there has been attrition and somewhat underacheiving so far with Askew.

Robert Thomas did not qualify. John Henderson did not qualify. Lampkin and Brian Christopher have left the team. Stadther only had one other bcs offer, kansas State, and was headed there until Petrino had to take him b/c Nutt took a more highly sought after Georgia DT originally slated for Arkansas to Ole Miss.

so, what I'm getting at is, next year is a situation where Nutt likes to run run run and a small, youthful, shallow interior d-line traditionally has trouble with it and that's an area Nutt figures to be very strong 2010.

Getting back to your recruiting thing I would advise you to go on to espn and look at all the guys he recruited that graded out 77 or higher and look at all the guys Petrino recruited that graded out 77 or higher. His top 25 players were more highly sought after than Arkansas', especially if you make a composite of the best rating each service has for each player, ie; Corey Gaines is a 74 on espn but 4 star on rivals. Dele Junaid is a 2 star on rivals but 78 on espn which many 78's are considered 4 stars on rivals.

You are saying he was 18th we were 16th but on paper his fullqualifier highschool players grade out alot higher than ours. A big chunk of our class was Juco so thats 7 schollies where we are totally starting over at their posistions in 2 years when if we recruited harder, evaluated better, we could of had players entering their 3rd year in the system in 2011.

That's something else I don't agree with. By reading some of the recruiting reports it sounds like he's gonna try to bring in a bunch of juco's again this year. I simply don't agree with the method and find him a poor, and lazy recruiter.
Posted by blackrose890
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Apr 2009
6315 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 6:30 pm to
Yeah, because True Frosh belong on the field. in regards to your Askew assumptions. I'm sick of arguing with someone who blindly assumes that a program is doomed because one man is no longer the head coach of a particular program.

You've made mention of power run games, but I really question you're knowledge of such things. Tell me how your dream offense works.
Posted by hawgchic4life
Norphlet, AR
Member since Jul 2008
99 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 6:35 pm to
WRT if you are into HDN, then more power to ya. Just remember, he never could seal the deal. Panties droppin', no nutts a poppin'
Posted by wildrebeltime
Little Rock
Member since May 2009
2058 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 6:39 pm to
with Askew when he had his arrest they had a weight listed for him at about 270 or maybe less. By now I would think he would be a little bigger. I believe he was listed lighter than he came in at and he's a 5+ 40 so he's not gonna play end. One of the writers was on the radio saying he didn't have a very good spring.

My dream offense works with

This post was edited on 8/8/09 at 6:40 pm
Posted by blackrose890
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Apr 2009
6315 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 6:43 pm to
lol, explain your offense please I want to hear this. Bashing individual players isn't something I'd like to get into.
Posted by bcshog
arkansas
Member since Jul 2009
1579 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 7:04 pm to
quote:

You've made mention of power run games, but I really question you're knowledge of such things. Tell me how your dream offense works.



This fool proves his stupidity and lack of knowledge right here. Nutt is not, has not ever been, and will never be a power running coach. Look at his Arkansas teams. We were RARELY in a position where we could over power anyone. His teams were built to be home run hitting running offenses. RARELY did we have an offense that could just grind up the clock 3 yards at a time until the opposing team just ran out of gas, PLUS Nutt never had the sort of defense that a power running team requires while at Arkansas.

Nope, Once again. Stupidity proven.

Expert my arse.
Posted by wildrebeltime
Little Rock
Member since May 2009
2058 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 7:06 pm to
I don't want to bash him either. I just do not think we are gonna match up favorably with a strong running game in the next couple years.


My offense for consistant championship level football toughest to defense is basically what Petrino does. Mixture of the power-i with play action pass, 2 wide out sets up to 5 wideout sets in multiple formations. Some spread 2 back, some spread 1, some spread empty backfield. Some shotgun, roll-out, bootleg, drop back etc. I've read that Petrino can run the same play out of 13 different formations. But, I think there is a real fine line between being too complex for college kids compared to what you'd install in the pros b/c the pros do not have classes and homework to keep up with and there's only so much these kids can learn.

I doubt we'll ever see Petrino at his absolute finest b/c the offense is too complex. But, make no mistake he is as good as it gets. There were a ton of busted plays last year where multiple people missed assignments.
Posted by bcshog
arkansas
Member since Jul 2009
1579 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 7:10 pm to
quote:

But, I think there is a real fine line between being too complex for college kids compared to what you'd install in the pros b/c the pros do not have classes and homework to keep up with and there's only so much these kids can learn.


God, you are stupid. Matt Leinhart publicly stated after his rookie year in the NFL that SoCal's playbook was more complicated than the one he had to learn for the Cards. Yet PC seems to be pretty damned successful over there. Are you suggesting that they just have smarter kids over at SC than Arky can hope to get? I guess we have only untalented retards on campus...

PS - I have heard the same thing about both Alabama and Florida's offenses , that they have NFL caliber playbooks.
Posted by blackrose890
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Apr 2009
6315 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 7:17 pm to
now you're sounding less like an idiot while still not accomplishing the end goal. The offense isn't a system that can be properly run in the first year to those whom aren't familiar with it at all. This year will be a better gauge on the complexity of the offense. I'll be interested to see what a line that has been taught to do more than zone block can do.

As for seeing it at it's best? if Louisville can run it why not an SEC team?
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 7:41 pm to
quote:

wildrebeltime


You are so transparent it is just ridiculous.
Posted by wildrebeltime
Little Rock
Member since May 2009
2058 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 8:59 pm to
blackrose it looks to me like he's struggling to recruit the kind of pass blocking linemen he wants right now. MOst of the good ones he has had on campus this spring immediately committed elsewhere after the visit. Cam Feldt went from a solid verbel to soft. I'd guess if he gets into a quality senior year he'll go after a Big12 offer. Jordan Rainey has no other offers so I'm not sure what to make of that other than Arkansas might be the only place that knows about him.

Arkansas as a state has historically been a run first highschool state. I guess the 7 on 7 tournaments and Gus Malzhan advancing the way he did lead to more passing and more spread in Arkansas highschools. I think it's a pretty easy transistion in highschools b/c defenses are pretty much nonexistent anyway. My highschool was a running team forever, tried to install the spread a couple years ago, it crapped out and they went back to the wing-t in the middle of the year. I know we aren't talking about 100% spread but Petrino has a much more complex scheme so he's going to need better caliber linemen then Nutt had to run what he wants and win. If Petrino decides he needs to stay in a more conservative ground game to survive, then I hate to say it but Nutt did that as good as it can be done.

UA has traditionally recruited it's instate linemen pretty well and redshirted them and developed them into solid players by year 3,4,5. It appears Petrino is trying to go another route. Who knows if a drop back style will hold up against the front 7's of the mighty SEC but if I had to make a bet on it i'd bet it never comes close to living up to what Arkansas fans think it will. It hasn't worked for Spurrier so far at SC and I see no reason why it would work well here.

I think Ark needs to be a running smash mouth team that doesn't take alot of chances downfield. IF they can adopt the approach "get to the 4th quarter with a chance to win" I think they can remain competitive. Petrino is already saying that at 09 media days and when he was first hired he wanted to "attack the field and score everytime we get the ball"
Those philosphies contrast.
This post was edited on 8/8/09 at 9:02 pm
Posted by blackrose890
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Apr 2009
6315 posts
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:47 pm to
Thats how linemen are supposed to be brought into the system unfortunately lack of depth and poor recruiting in the form of our former coach have left need for the "odd" things you're seeing.

Cam isn't soft on his verbal according to his interviews and statements. Futhermore, I'm not sure what Rainey is, but if he's like Brandon Mitchell who apparently is a bit of a ball player then I don't mind. We aren't struggling at all in recruiting that I can tell our commits look great from the tapes I've seen.

There's a reason Petrino is focusing his recruiting out of state to address your second argument. Anyway the spread isn't what we're stocking linemen for.

Nutt was predictable, not smart by sticking to the run at the expense of QB development, and went to the run because he "knew" he would be there forever and get that AD spot.

Under Nutt we were never a smash mouth team. Smash mouth football is defined as three yards and a cloud of dust. Where as we were a 1,2,3,punt or 1,2,TD team. We had speed backs that played off the zone block to hit big yardage once in a blue moon. When MJ came in we adopted a misdirection Zone Radar offense based on deception and zone blocking. When Dmac was on campus we zone blocked and let him run like a bat outta hell in space on the outside handoff and fed Felix a speed sweep.

That fact that you've written off "your team" to be worse than USCe is mildly disturbing as well. Give it some time and a little bit of faith and what this team can do in the future.

And for what it's worth both Leon and Winston made it to campus.

This post was edited on 8/8/09 at 10:56 pm
Posted by Nate Hawg
Hot Springs, Ar
Member since Jul 2009
203 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 3:07 am to
quote:

humongous
Posted by BamaInHsv
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2008
17889 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 8:15 am to
Why am I reading this thread? I don't give a shite about Arkansas.

I just hope you have the same QB this season that you had last season. Those picks he threw us were epic. It was like he was doing it on purpose.
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