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re: There have been 22 SEC national titles in football in the poll era (1936)
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:22 am to boxedlunch
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:22 am to boxedlunch
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It's this way, because why? You say so? History dictates differently and that trumps your ignorant opinion every time.
It's this way because it's the system that has been in place for the last 80 years.
And if I am ignorant of history as you claim, please post examples correcting me.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 12:41 am
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 8:47 am to RollTide1987
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How many of those were awarded retroactively?
Is this a road you really wanna go down as a Bama fan? All of your selections for 25, 26, and 30 were retroactive.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:51 am to RollTide1987
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It's this way because it's the system that has been in place for the last 80 years.
And if I am ignorant of history as you claim, please post examples correcting me.
80 years, my foot. It's only been about 45 that people have generally accepted just wire service polls. Prior to that, others were readily accepted. In the 60s, FWAA was every bit as respected as either the AP or the UPI. Dickinson was the big one in the 30s. Nowhere was any "system" set out and accepted, hence, your ignorance.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 9:52 am to Korin
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Is this a road you really wanna go down as a Bama fan? All of your selections for 25, 26, and 30 were retroactive.
41 as well.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 10:32 am to RollTide1987
Alabama fans calming out Tennessee fans for claiming national titles? Lol pot meet kettle. The piggys went undefeated in 64 while bamer lost there bowl game in 41 yall weren't even a top 10 team much less #1 I could go on and on.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 10:33 am to cincyykid
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I could go on and on.
Don't let me stop you. Let it out.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 10:34 am
Posted on 4/5/16 at 10:34 am to boxedlunch
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41 as well.
No their 1 selection actually existed back then according to the records book.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 10:50 am to Yellerhammer5
Ok,73 was also bullshite. You lost your bowl game again so that's 3 that shouldn't be counted. Also 3 of the ones from the 30s that yall claim aren't recognized by the ncaa so there's that.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 10:59 am to Korin
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No their 1 selection actually existed back then according to the records book.
Houlgate was giving out champions, but he named Minnesota champion in 1941. Only retroactively did he do it post-bowl and name Alabama champ.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 11:03 am to boxedlunch
Wow this is a refreshing thread. Never seen this one before 
Posted on 4/5/16 at 11:05 am to boxedlunch
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Houlgate was giving out champions, but he named Minnesota champion in 1941. Only retroactively did he do it post-bowl and name Alabama champ.
Did he do one before the bowls and then one after? There's some confusion in this old Reddit post.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/2t1zpj/did_alabama_actually_finish_1_in_1941_according/
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 11:06 am
Posted on 4/5/16 at 11:25 am to cincyykid
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The piggys went undefeated in 64 while bamer lost there bowl game
Which national championship trophy from 64 is in Fayetteville? AP? UPI?
Posted on 4/5/16 at 11:39 am to Korin
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Did he do one before the bowls and then one after? There's some confusion in this Did he do one before the bowls and then one after? There's some confusion in this old Reddit post. old Reddit post.
The common procedure was to release Houlgate's title on the UP wire. This is what was released at the time:
Years later, Houlgate released a book called the football thesaurus in two different versions. In this, he listed his championships post-bowl. I have information on it somewhere, if I have to dig it up. Still, I've been told on this thread that nobody was doing anything but AP and Coaches' poll titles back then, so I suppose it doesn't matter.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 11:41 am to StopRobot
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Which national championship trophy from 64 is in Fayetteville? AP? UPI?
The Grantland Rice Trophy, which was every bit as respected back then as either of those two.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:22 pm to StopRobot
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Which national championship trophy from 64 is in Fayetteville? AP? UPI?
The FWAA's Grantland Rice Trophy, which was still awarded up through the 2013 season (far right).
Ole Miss has one for 60.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 4/5/16 at 12:23 pm to boxedlunch
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The Grantland Rice Trophy, which was every bit as respected back then as either of those two.
And unlike the AP and Coaches (and NFF for that matter) the FWAA always waited until AFTER the bowls.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 1:25 pm to boxedlunch
Anything after 1936 besides AP and Coaches doesn't matter.
I'd be interested to see Dickinson and Houlgate's publications prior to 1936, however.
I'd be interested to see Dickinson and Houlgate's publications prior to 1936, however.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 1:27 pm to RollTide1987
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Anything after 1936 besides AP and Coaches doesn't matter.
And anything from 98-13 other than the BCS winner doesn't matter either.
Yet some people don't get that.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 1:34 pm to RollTide1987
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Anything after 1936 besides AP and Coaches doesn't matter.
They only don't matter to the ignorant. There was no council that declared the AP and the Coaches' as mattering or not mattering. That's strictly interpretation and since nobody in 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s thought those were the only titles, it's ignorant to declare them such.
Posted on 4/5/16 at 1:54 pm to boxedlunch
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They only don't matter to the ignorant.
It matters to those who desire uniformity. Anything prior to 1936 is a mess because there are so many systems, both from the period and from modern times, awarding multiple teams in a given year their national championship. Houlgate and Dickinson were just two of many.
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That's strictly interpretation and since nobody in 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s thought those were the only titles, it's ignorant to declare them such.
Too bad history is subject to lots and lots of interpretation. The people of the period didn't have the gift of hindsight. We know better now though.
This post was edited on 4/5/16 at 1:56 pm
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