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re: The silence is telling re: Ole Miss
Posted on 4/29/16 at 11:08 am to Henry Jones Jr
Posted on 4/29/16 at 11:08 am to Henry Jones Jr
at you trying to demonize the kid for being honest when ACTUAL officials of the school who are grown adults are the primary reason for this. If the texts are true, these are not merely boosters, but people in the operations staff coordinating this. Sure, if false, he should come out and recant. If true, he doesn't owe anyone any type of moral duty to comply with a cover up. My apologies that you feel self-important enough for him to owe you a duty because the team you live vicariously through isn't going to be as good, and Saturday's not as fun, if they get hit with infractions.This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 11:10 am
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 11:26 am to lsufball19
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That's the best thing they can do right now. Did you really expect a response so quickly? That's what got Tunsil in trouble in the first place. The biggest mistake made last night IMO was allowing Tunsil to speak to the media at all last night after all this came out.
They should have shut up last night, but they didn't. Now they should come out and say something. It won't go away and you're getting beat up on every media outlet imaginable. It was on Good Morning America.
The fact that they're being this calculated in their next step is telling as to how fricked they are, IMO. That was really the point of the OP as well.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 11:53 am to slackster
They are in critical crisis mode. I can't even imagine what has been going on behind the scenes the last 20 hours. LT has likely told them to pound sand if they have pleaded with him to make a statement recanting anything. His attorney probably has him on lock down about opening his mouth to anyone moving forward. The best that OM can ask for is that LT agrees to go silent from now on.
Freeze and just about anyone involved, especially the two men in the IG, are in non stop meetings with the University President, the AD and a ton of advisors. These are not merely accusations that you confront with a canned statement. These are accusations with proof. This is about as bad as it can get and something unprecedented. Right now, the powers that be are just trying to determine the best course for the University. Clean house really soon and beg for mercy? Double down and continue the Mis-direction?
What a mess.
Freeze and just about anyone involved, especially the two men in the IG, are in non stop meetings with the University President, the AD and a ton of advisors. These are not merely accusations that you confront with a canned statement. These are accusations with proof. This is about as bad as it can get and something unprecedented. Right now, the powers that be are just trying to determine the best course for the University. Clean house really soon and beg for mercy? Double down and continue the Mis-direction?
What a mess.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 11:55 am to slackster
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Tunsil's camp clams up and we've heard nothing trying to take back and/or clarify his statements from last night.
Look, I genuinely think he was overwhelmed and didn't consciously admit to anything, but approaching noon the following day and hearing nothing from him or his camp is telling.
There's a conflict of interest in play here. Sexton is the agent for both Freeze and Tunsil.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 11:56 am to slackster
The silence isn't telling at all. Whenever anything happens in this day and age that gets a huge reaction, everybody buttons up to talk with their PR experts and lawyers before going out on a limb with anything. Just standard operating now.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 11:57 am to skullhawk
And Tunsil's lawyer is a big Ole Miss guy.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:05 pm to slackster
Not really. In this day and age, clamming up and letting the lawyers and PR flacks do their job is SOP for any smart organization in a bad situation. At best, you should just say that you're working on examining the issue and doing your due diligence. The temptation to deny, deny, deny is strong, but wrong. If there's even a minor correlation between reality and the accusations, you come off as looking like you're covering things up. So stay quiet, get the right people together, then make a considered, carefully-worded statement to the effect that you intend to get to the bottom of this. It'll be the university proper, not the athletic department, that will be dealing with the public. In that case, it's probably even sincere -- I seriously doubt any coaches actually told the PTB and the lawyers in administration of any wrongdoings. So the administration and its legal team can very honestly project an image of not knowing anything and needing time to investigate. Obviously they had to suspect, but suspicion isn't knowledge.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:09 pm to Crimson Legend
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The silence isn't telling at all. Whenever anything happens in this day and age that gets a huge reaction, everybody buttons up to talk with their PR experts and lawyers before going out on a limb with anything. Just standard operating now.
I get that if it was some investigative report or something. In this case we have the player openly admit to accepting cash from a coach on TV and is everywhere you look. The silence tells me that Tunsil is going to stick by his comment. If he misunderstood the question a statement clarifying that would have come out immediately. You know that and I know that. You wouldn't let it blow up to this point and then try to come back and say he misspoke. You've lost the battle at that point.
If they decide to recant his comments now, no one will believe him, and rightfully so.
I'm reminded of a comment I read not long ago jury selection when it was announced a defendant not take the stand at his murder trial - no innocent man would refuse the opportunity to come up and tell us the truth. On that same note, you don't wait this long to deny your comments. If you're going to take this long, you better stand by it and prepare how you and the school will proceed going forward.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:12 pm to slackster
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I get that if it was some investigative report or something. In this case we have the player openly admit to accepting cash from a coach on TV and is everywhere you look. The silence tells me that Tunsil is going to stick by his comment. If he misunderstood the question a statement clarifying that would have come out immediately. You know that and I know that. You wouldn't let it blow up to this point and then try to come back and say he misspoke. You've lost the battle at that point.
I don't disagree with your premise, but it's incomplete. There are all sorts of reasons Tunsil should delay making any more comments. Maybe Ole Miss needs him to recant, but maybe that's not in his best interest. Maybe he has already given information to the NCAA - don't forget he was a named participant in their current investigation - and he wants to make sure he doesn't come out with a lie that many people already know is false.
Silence is never "telling" when there are large sums of money and/or lawyers involved.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:13 pm to slackster
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I'm reminded of a comment I read not long ago jury selection when it was announced a defendant not take the stand at his murder trial - no innocent man would refuse the opportunity to come up and tell us the truth.
Lots of defendants choose (or, rather, are told by their lawyers to choose) not to take the stand and still get off. It's a bit more complicated than that.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:19 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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If Tunsil doesn't recant what he said, true or not, he's an a-hole throwing the school under the bus. You can't deny its a shitty thing to do because it doesn't hurt him to say nothing
You are a fricking idiot in denial. If you play with fire you get burnt. Tunsil and the OM staff all played with fire.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:21 pm to Crimson Legend
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There are all sorts of reasons Tunsil should delay making any more comments. Maybe Ole Miss needs him to recant, but maybe that's not in his best interest.
I think that is exactly what is happening, hence the reason the silence is telling. We can infer things from the silence.
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Silence is never "telling" when there are large sums of money and/or lawyers involved.
We cannot determine the truth from the silence, but we can make many educated inferences, and all of those are bad news for Ole Miss. To put it another way, the longer this goes without some sort of statement or direct rebuttal, the worse the outlook for Ole Miss, which was the point of my OP.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:25 pm to randomways
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Lots of defendants choose (or, rather, are told by their lawyers to choose) not to take the stand and still get off. It's a bit more complicated than that.
Yes I know, and I figured someone would say that in response, but the general thought process is pretty standard. The vast majority of innocent people want to tell you their innocent. That proclamation doesn't mean they are, and their silence doesn't guarantee their guilty, but people can still infer something from that silence.
With respect to the Ole Miss allegations, I see absolutely no reason you'd let it get this far if your endgame is going to be to recant the comments. They're going to take a different approach IMO, and anything short of a recant is really bad news for Ole Miss.
I also want to be clear that "bad news" for Ole Miss doesn't mean crazy sanctions, because the NCAA has no consistency, but there is no doubt it is bad news from a perception standpoint and in the court of public opinion.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:28 pm to randomways
At this point, I think the best thing for Tunsil is to remain quiet. Let other stories begin to over-take this one (if they can), but don't add any more fuel to the fire.
Plus, there's nothing the NCAA can really do to Tunsil, from here on, it's about his relationship with the Dolphins and how he performs there.
For Ole Miss however, I would think they would have wanted to get some form of statement out quickly, because the longer it takes to respond, the more it looks like they are trying to continue a coverup.
Maybe Random can shine some light here, but what is interesting are the conflicts of interest at play.
1) Tunsil and Freeze have the same agent
2) Tunsil is represented by an Ole Miss lawyer in the civil "case" that his money-grubbing stepdad just filed
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:28 pm to slackster
You won those games on the field OM.
Keep repeating it.
Keep repeating it.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:37 pm to AustinDawg
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For Ole Miss however, I would think they would have wanted to get some form of statement out quickly,
They did release a statement.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:38 pm to bamarep
Ole Miss cant say shite right now, I am sure meeting all day trying to determine what to do. Maybe statement tonight. Problem is they are guilty and know it, and NCAA already had a bunch of evidence hence the letter.
So first thing is do determine if the NCAA already knew about this or is it a new revelation.
You dont want to make it worse.
So first thing is do determine if the NCAA already knew about this or is it a new revelation.
You dont want to make it worse.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:48 pm to slackster
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We cannot determine the truth from the silence, but we can make many educated inferences, and all of those are bad news for Ole Miss. To put it another way, the longer this goes without some sort of statement or direct rebuttal, the worse the outlook for Ole Miss, which was the point of my OP.
Silence is damning. Just take LSU and Les Miles. Why didnt Alleva just come out and say Les was going to be the coach? because he was trying to push him out. They could have saved a lot of head ache if they werent silent for 2.5 weeks.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:50 pm to TutHillTiger
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Ole Miss cant say shite right now, I am sure meeting all day trying to determine what to do. Maybe statement tonight.
I figured as much, but surely they are in contact with Tunsil, at least through Sexton. I know the legal and PR folks are working overtime, but IF they plan on recanting, surely they'd have done so by now.
I'm genuinely starting to believe they will stand by the comments - Tunsil that is.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:51 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Henry Jones Jr
I'm enjoying your pain
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