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Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:29 am to skullhawk
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I've yet to see a valid reason why you can't move Auburn and Alabama
The current east would burn the SEC offices down if this was seriously considered.
OK..There is 1 good reason...
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:30 am to lsuhunt555
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Its only a matter of time before the East opponents will begin to bitch about the fact that they are only in Texas once every 6-7 years
It'll be once every 12 years, not 6-7.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:39 am to BrerTiger
The simple solution was to break up the 4 team coalition and cram-down the 6-2 solution on the other two. The easiest, and probably most politically feasible way to have done that was to move UT to the West and Arky to the East. Once Bama and, by extension, UT are satisfied that their third Saturday game is preserved for perpetuity, I don't see any reason for them to knight for the DSOR. I would envision Bama telling them to schedule it non-conference.
A real solution to this problem is basically to placate one half of the four schools that want a permanent rival while not being in the same division, and let the other two figure out some other accommodation.
A real solution to this problem is basically to placate one half of the four schools that want a permanent rival while not being in the same division, and let the other two figure out some other accommodation.
This post was edited on 6/4/12 at 11:51 am
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:50 am to therick711
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The easiest, and probably most politically feasible way to have done that was to move UT to the East and Arky to the West.
First off, UT is already in the East and Arky is already in the West. I assume you meant the opposite -- UT to the West and Arky to the East.
Secondly, how do you figure this is "politically feasible"? You think the votes are there?
Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:53 am to BrerTiger
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Posted on 6/4/12 at 11:53 am to BrerTiger
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First off, UT is already in the East and Arky is already in the West. I assume you meant the opposite -- UT to the West and Arky to the East.
Secondly, how do you figure this is "politically feasible"? You think the votes are there?
yeah got it backwards. I edited.
Because you have a coalition of four that hold that thing together. you had three that voted against already. You get 5, you don't need to buy off USC-e and Arkansas so that gets you to 7. I'm not sure how many you need, but once you get to 7 with half of the rivalry people locked in, it is a matter of cowbells for 8, sweetening the pot for Vandy as the important private institution for 9 and Ole Miss could probably be bought somehow. I don't think getting there once you split the four traditional rivalries is that difficult. I could be wrong. Plus, if Bama has what it wants, it will make sure everything gets done. That's the conference we live in
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:02 pm to BoobieWatcher
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I'm pretty sure Arkansas will not go to East. that is too much traveling. MIssouri is only there because of Alabama's bitching.
The concern about travel is probably near the bottom of the list of priorities. You already mentioned Mizzou, which is laughable. Now USC's permanent opponent is TAMU. Doesn't seem like travel is a concern for the conference, at least with regard to some of its members.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:03 pm to dreaux
Umm..what are LSU fans bitching about? We get our game in Florida every other year and we don't have to go to south Carolina, Kentucky, Vandy or mizzou but once every 12 years? Color me fricking heart broken, but we made out like bandits on this.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:13 pm to dreaux
Bham Tiger had best look at it on SEC Rant, imho
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From a recruiting standpoint, this probably favors LSU more than anyone else. LSU and USCe are the only SEC teams that get to play regularly in both Texas and Florida.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:14 pm to TigerStripes06
I like going to South Carolina. I get to play gold at Hilton Head.
But what Bama wants the SEC does. Hell move Bama and Aubie to the east and KY and Mizzou to the west and go 6-2
But what Bama wants the SEC does. Hell move Bama and Aubie to the east and KY and Mizzou to the west and go 6-2
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:16 pm to Lithium
quote:and rename it "The LSU Western Division Championship Trophy"
Hell move Bama and Aubie to the east and KY and Mizzou to the west and go 6-2
think it though
Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida, USCe, Georgia, and Vandy in same division?
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:20 pm to TigerCard
It is still unclear to me why a bunch of wizened, greedy old men felt the need to tinker with the single most successful college athletic conference in the history of the United States. As if a conference that won six consecutive foootball national championships was in dire need of some reformation. In particular, LSU gained absolutely nothing of benefit from the addition of TAMU and Missouri. LSU already possessed a recruiting beach-head in Texas, unlike many of its SEC brethren. The new conference alignment will merely allow other SEC schools to heighten their visibility in Texas and, conversely, will permit A&M to use SEC affiliation to make further in-roads into Louisiana recruiting (which they had already done to some extent over the last three years).
Not to mention the fact that Missouri and TAMU are full of ugly crackers.
Not to mention the fact that Missouri and TAMU are full of ugly crackers.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:22 pm to RockChalkTiger
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Yep. Then we'll be playing in Norman or Stillwater every year and Knoxville and Athens pretty much never. But Oklahoma can't be any worse than Alabama.
You would be sorely mistaken.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:30 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
I can not BELIEVE how whiny you guys are...
The BAMA/UT and AU/UGA games MUST remain. College football has given up too much tradition already and it MUST STOP. For instance, we have already lost Nebraska/Oklahoma (which I LOVED watching as a kid), AU/Georgia Tech (which WAS the oldest rivalry in CFB), Texas/Texas A&M... and so on.
AND... just because the Vols havent been that competitve recently doesnt mean that it will stay that way. This rivalry has a TON of history and must be preserved!
I am even for keeping the AU rivalry with UGA. (honestly, this game and the politics surrounding it probably have more weight with the SEC office - since Auburn was already forced to lose playing UF every year when we went to 12 teams)
I guess I shouldnt expect LSU fans to understand, because you guys don't really have a natural rival. Ole Miss? Arky? Tulane? ... now Texas A&M will be forced on you as your 'rival'. ('jus sayin')
Just admit that you dont want to play UF every year and be done with it.
The BAMA/UT and AU/UGA games MUST remain. College football has given up too much tradition already and it MUST STOP. For instance, we have already lost Nebraska/Oklahoma (which I LOVED watching as a kid), AU/Georgia Tech (which WAS the oldest rivalry in CFB), Texas/Texas A&M... and so on.
AND... just because the Vols havent been that competitve recently doesnt mean that it will stay that way. This rivalry has a TON of history and must be preserved!
I am even for keeping the AU rivalry with UGA. (honestly, this game and the politics surrounding it probably have more weight with the SEC office - since Auburn was already forced to lose playing UF every year when we went to 12 teams)
I guess I shouldnt expect LSU fans to understand, because you guys don't really have a natural rival. Ole Miss? Arky? Tulane? ... now Texas A&M will be forced on you as your 'rival'. ('jus sayin')
Just admit that you dont want to play UF every year and be done with it.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:34 pm to frankenfish
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I've yet to see a valid reason why you can't move Auburn and Alabama to the East and Vandy and Mizzou to the West. Then it's an actual geographic reality in East and West.
Because then they think the East would be way too strong for themselves. It's ok for them to be "scared" of that though. Only LSU gets blasted if we don't want a screwed up schedule for long term.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:41 pm to UAalumnus
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It is still unclear to me why a bunch of wizened, greedy old men felt the need to tinker with the single most successful college athletic conference in the history of the United States. As if a conference that won six consecutive foootball national championships was in dire need of some reformation. In particular, LSU gained absolutely nothing of benefit from the addition of TAMU and Missouri. LSU already possessed a recruiting beach-head in Texas, unlike many of its SEC brethren. The new conference alignment will merely allow other SEC schools to heighten their visibility in Texas and, conversely, will permit A&M to use SEC affiliation to make further in-roads into Louisiana recruiting (which they had already done to some extent over the last three years).
Excellent Post. I really think the SEC got caught up in the money grab and was blinded by it's desire to get into Texas. At the end of the day, its all about money but I don't think the extra money is worth all of the headaches expansion has created. At some point, expansion for the sake of $$$ becomes counter productive.
I hate that Bama will only play UGA, UF and other East schools every so often. You LSU guys make extremely valid points that I honestly can't refute. However something has to be said for keeping traditional rivalries in college football intact. Nothing pisses me off more when it comes to college football than schedule makers and conference officials screwing up something that was working perfectly.
The sad thing is that a healthy majority of SEC fans were completely against expansion...but not many in the media echoed that sentiment. People like Finebaum and such just rode the wave to accommodate Slive and gave no perspective as to what problems could arise. They all just kept saying "well, people were mad in 1992 and look how that turned out."
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Posted on 6/4/12 at 12:45 pm to FairhopeTider
I agree that the REAL problem is the expansion
we should just to go a 9 game 6-1-2 schedule and be done with it.
This all needs to be a lesson on why NOT to go to 16 teams!
we should just to go a 9 game 6-1-2 schedule and be done with it.
This all needs to be a lesson on why NOT to go to 16 teams!
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