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"The SEC is so much harder than the Big 12"
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:46 am
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:46 am
You all say it, and maybe it is 100% true, but how do you explain these stats posted by Texas A&M if it is true?
It appears to me that Texas A&M has struggled against the top teams, has played about .500 against the middle teams, and has taken the bottom teams to the woodshed in both leagues.
I look forward to playing the SEC schedule this fall and I believe it will be harder for all teams based on the schedule format. But I also believe that a good Texas team will take care of business and a bad Texas team will get their arse handed to them. IMO, that was true in the Big 12 and that will be true in the SEC.
Serious question. How do these results imply that the SEC is so much harder than the Big 12?
It appears to me that Texas A&M has struggled against the top teams, has played about .500 against the middle teams, and has taken the bottom teams to the woodshed in both leagues.
I look forward to playing the SEC schedule this fall and I believe it will be harder for all teams based on the schedule format. But I also believe that a good Texas team will take care of business and a bad Texas team will get their arse handed to them. IMO, that was true in the Big 12 and that will be true in the SEC.
Serious question. How do these results imply that the SEC is so much harder than the Big 12?
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Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:51 am to BigBro
Without delving into the multitude of specific reasons why this logic is flawed, I'd just like to point out that you're comparing modern metrics with those from 20+ years ago.
Pio wasn't even born yet.
Pio wasn't even born yet.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:53 am to BigBro
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explain these stats posted by Texas A&M if it is true?
Johnny Manziel.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:58 am to paperwasp
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Without delving into the multitude of specific reasons why this logic is flawed, I'd just like to point out that you're comparing modern metrics with those from 20+ years ago.
Pio wasn't even born yet.
Last 12 years in the Big 12
Last 12 years in the SEC
It's a good comparison imo.
As for the why.. I have some answers.
1) A&M improved, which is reflected in their stronger OOC record against P5 teams during the two time periods.
2) A&M recruiting improved which allowed them to compete better against the SEC than they could prior to joining the SEC.
I believe both of those statements are true, but if that is the case, why wouldn't that also apply to any new teams joining the league?
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:58 am to BigBro
Because Sumlin and Jimbo A&M were better than anything they ever fielded in the Big 12.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:00 am to BigBro
The third and fourth best teams in the SEC this year won 11 games each. The SEC had five teams win 10+ games this season alone.
The third and fourth best teams in the Big 12 won 10 and 9 games each. The Big 12 had three teams win 10+ games this year.
We can debate strength of conference, but the fact of the matter is there are more (and better) top end teams in the SEC than there are in the Big 12. I'll take our best five against the Big 12's best five any day of the week.
The third and fourth best teams in the Big 12 won 10 and 9 games each. The Big 12 had three teams win 10+ games this year.
We can debate strength of conference, but the fact of the matter is there are more (and better) top end teams in the SEC than there are in the Big 12. I'll take our best five against the Big 12's best five any day of the week.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:02 am to BigBro
They doubled their spending, upgraded everything, and out-recruited TU since 2012? SEC A&M doesn’t even resemble B12 A&M. They also got good timing with Johnny. In 2014 or 15 they had like 3 of the top 10 QBs all on their roster. Not saying that was a good idea as all 3 left, but they were able to do it.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:03 am to BigBro
Let's compare some talent:
31. Kentucky
32. Arkansas
34. SMU
40. Texas Tech
46. Baylor
49. Houston
50. West Virginia
53. UCF
55. Oklahoma State
58. Vanderbilt
60. Iowa State
62. Kansas
Look at just the top 20 in talent:
Big 12
6. Texas
9. Oklahoma
19. TCU
SEC
1. Alabama
2. Georgia
4. Texas A&M
8. LSU
15. Florida
16. Tennessee
18. Auburn
31. Kentucky
32. Arkansas
34. SMU
40. Texas Tech
46. Baylor
49. Houston
50. West Virginia
53. UCF
55. Oklahoma State
58. Vanderbilt
60. Iowa State
62. Kansas
Look at just the top 20 in talent:
Big 12
6. Texas
9. Oklahoma
19. TCU
SEC
1. Alabama
2. Georgia
4. Texas A&M
8. LSU
15. Florida
16. Tennessee
18. Auburn
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:04 am to BigBro
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how do you explain these stats
It just means more
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:07 am to BigBro
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Serious question. How do these results imply that the SEC is so much harder than the Big 12?
Serious answer: recruiting improved, lots of hype for them coming into the SEC. Heisman winner Johnny Manziel. Curious to know why you didn’t show Missouri. I’d like to see how that looks on paper.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:10 am to Leopold
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Johnny Manziel.
SEC 2014-2023 (no Manziel)
vs Top 4 Teams (33% win)
vs Everyone Else (63% win)
vs All Teams (42-39)
Big 12 (2002-2011)
vs Top 4 Teams (31% win)
vs Everyone Else (62% win)
vs All Teams (41-40)
Still looks the same to me.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:12 am to BigBro
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Last 12 years in the Big 12
Last 12 years in the SEC
It's a good comparison imo.
I understand, but it doesn't work that way.
In its last three years in the SEC, Georgia Tech was 7–3, 7–3, and 7–4.
In its last three years in the ACC, Georgia Tech has been 7–6, 5–7, and 3–9.
Are we therefore to conclude that the ACC is much harder than the SEC?
Is there anything that we can confidently infer from the above information?
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:13 am to BigBro
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Big 12 (2002-2011)
Top 4 Teams
1 NC
quote:
SEC 2014-2023 Top 4 Teams
6 NC
It’s not the same
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:14 am to BigBro
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posted by Texas A&M if it is true?
You’ll soon see that if Aggy spent as much time building a football program as their posters do to find irrelevant stats, they’d have been able to:
1. Print on that empty plaque.
2. Finish Jimbo’s 77mil
3. Win a division
4. Win the sec
5. Win a national championship
6. Stop bragging about meat judging.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:15 am to BigBro
How many nattys have come out of the big12 this century?
Case closed baw
Case closed baw
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:16 am to RebelTheBear
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The third and fourth best teams in the SEC this year won 11 games each. The SEC had five teams win 10+ games this season alone.
The third and fourth best teams in the Big 12 won 10 and 9 games each. The Big 12 had three teams win 10+ games this year.
I understand this argument, but I think scheduling is a big reason for this success.
The Big 12 plays 9 league games, which means more losses for all teams. In addition, I'm not comparing the Big 12 today vs the SEC. I know the SEC is stronger right now.
I'm comparing the SEC the last 12 years vs the Big 12 before A&M, Nebraska, Missouri & Colorado left. The Big 12 was a lot better league back then than they are today.
Texas has sucked the last 12 years. It doesn't matter if we played in the WAC or SEC or some other league. We would have still sucked.
Likewise, if Texas from 2000-2009 had played in the SEC or Big 12 or some other league, Texas would have still had a really good team.
The schedule makes a big difference.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:18 am to BigBro
You are about to have the feeling you are stuck in mud once you go thru the SEC schedule
And now with the 12 playoffs you might have to play those top teams again
And now with the 12 playoffs you might have to play those top teams again
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:19 am to BigBro
This board is so fricking awful some -- almost all -- of the time.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:19 am to BigBro
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I'm comparing the SEC the last 12 years vs the Big 12 before A&M, Nebraska, Missouri & Colorado left.
There is no comparison. The National Championship results show this. The SEC was better then and now.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:21 am to RBWilliams8
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erious answer: recruiting improved, lots of hype for them coming into the SEC. Heisman winner Johnny Manziel. Curious to know why you didn’t show Missouri. I’d like to see how that looks on paper.
I haven't looked it up yet, but I'll do the same analysis for them and post it when I do. Not sure I'll have time today if someone else wants to take a stab at it.
I know their conference records are about the same for both time periods though.
Missouri SEC 2012-2023 (47-50)
Missouri Big 12 2000-2011 (49-48)
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