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The SEC has become the league of grossly overpaid, mediocre coaches

Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:17 am
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:17 am
The main reason the SEC has taken a nosedive the last few years is almost all related to coaching. College football is a coaches' game, the right (or wrong) head coach can make or break a program in a hurry.

The negative effect Saban's reign has had on the SEC coaching has been discussed, but I think the biggest negative effect is what he's done to the coaching salaries. Saban's salary set a really high bar for what an elite SEC coach should be making. As such, the other schools in the SEC have been forced to grossly overpay for some really lackluster coaches.

All coaching candidates coming into the SEC viewed themselves vs. Saban's salary. Most head coaches have huge egos and good agents. They leveraged Saban's salary to secure big salaries for themselves. When negotiating for a new head coach, usually the good candidates hold all the cards, not the universities.

There was also a lot of wishful thinking going on, as though paying a coach top dollar all the sudden would make him a top dollar coach.

There's not a single coach in the SEC who should even SNIFF the $ Saban is making yet many of them do. That alone should tell you there's a huge problem.
This post was edited on 12/30/16 at 2:18 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69289 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:37 am to
We need to build a wall around Alabama, grab em by the trunk while it's under construction (we're allowed to do it because the conference is famous), and make them pay for it. Lock them and Liddle Saban out of the SEC. We will bring FUN back to the conference, FUN that is being shipped to Alabama currently, which is CRUSHING our communities of Auburn, Baton Rouge, Athens, Knoxville, Gainesville, and oxford.

Make the SEC great again. Make the SEC FIRST again.

SECism not Alabamism will be our credo!
Posted by FourThreeForty
Member since May 2013
17290 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:39 am to
The coaches that have come to the SEC recently have in all honesty had a bloated resume. Butch Jones came from a relatively irrelevant set of football schools (Cincinnati and Central Michigan) that has had some breakout years here and there. BUT, it should be known that coaching resumes from those backgrounds carry no merit. They play weak schedules compared to the teeth of a P5 conference and their success is often exposed when they find themselves in a prominent bowl.


Kevin Sumlin and Gus Malzahn, as well as Bret Bielema all came from weak backgrounds, albeit Wisconsin was a very physical team that he coached for a while.


They were hired because of promise. Not because they had a top resume like the Mark Dantonios of the world, that make legit P5 teams gain success and sustain it consistently.



JMO.
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
6179 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 2:57 am to
It sounds like we have a bunch of shitty ADs. Basketball has been down for a while too.

The SEC spends more money than anybody. Yet not one other program outside of Bama could even sniff the Playoff for foreseeable. Every other conference has at least one other team capable. There is an acceptance of mediocrity in this league right now. It's as though all other programs have resigned themselves to the idea that Bama won't be challenged so there's no point in even trying.

Can't win the league and bowl games don't matter so there is a collective "frick it" from the ADs on down to the players that is pervasive within this conference.



Posted by BradPitt
Where the wild things are
Member since Nov 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 3:03 am to
"If Bernie Sanders becomes president, he's going to take half of Alabama's five stars and give them to Mississippi State."
Posted by WildcatMike
Lexington, KY
Member since Dec 2005
41539 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 3:33 am to
I think Stoops and Cal are earning what their worth.
Posted by Tidemeister
Member since May 2016
1234 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 4:01 am to
Your points are all very true imo, excellent commentary. Saban did indeed start the arms race for HC salary, and it started because Bama was forced to pay up for Saban to leave the Dolphins. He was making well over $4 million at Miami, so Bama offered close to that. Imagine you're the A.D. trying to woo Saban from the Dolphins and you tell him, "hey coach, how bout coming over to coach our team, but we'll have to reduce your current pay." And then it just took off. Now the assistant coaches, mostly coordinators, are making a million plus, some near 2 million. The pressure to win has gone through the roof with it, thus the high turnover rate we see now if coaches don't win big and fast.
Posted by gigem1966
texas
Member since Nov 2016
71 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 6:36 am to
Sumlin is a great example-all style and no substance. Thanks to regent Jim Wilson it will be hard to get rid of the fraud.
Posted by EveryonesACoach
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
864 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 6:46 am to
If you just look at the SEC, not all teams are overpaying for results. Saban makes $7M and wins 12+ games a year. LSU just hired an oyster fisherman as coach for half that amount, I'm sure he'll get to 6-6 every year. So on a dollar per win basis, it's not all that bad
Posted by Sunbeam
Member since Dec 2016
2612 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 6:50 am to
There's another angle on this thing as well.

Mullen has been at State so long you could say he was hired in another era. Vandy's coach is from a different mold.

But it seems like now recruiting is the first consideration for schools when they make a hire. Well maybe I'm wrong again since Florida hired Mc(I or E?)wain.

But if you look at the others they seem to be recruiters first. Not exactly Bill Snyder type coaches is what I'm saying.

Thing is it will work as Dabo Swinney has shown. But you absolutely have to have strong coordinators and the right staff. Not so sure most of the programs that fit my profile have that.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21692 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 7:10 am to
The problem is, all the other programs think they can do what Bama is doing and that's just not realistic. It won't even be realistic for Bama to sustain this once Saban is gone, or senile, whichever comes first. So, those teams fired good coaches that would have them winning 10 games to try to find the next Saban. But, just as the odds would predict, they've ended up with worse coaches and now the SEC us suffering. Plus this year is just a down year, especially in the QB department.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26958 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 7:18 am to
According to Coaches Hot Seat, in millions:


Saban.....8.25
Sumlin....5.25
Mullen....5.00
Miles.....4.50..list not updated
Freeze....4.50
Malzahn...4.20
Bielema...4.20
McElwain..4.20
Jones.....4.20
Smart.....4.00
Odom......3.50
Stoops....3.40
Muschamp..3.00
Mason.....2.50

Lane Kiffin at about 900,000 looks like the best coaching bargain in all college football. After Saban, the only ones close to earning their salary right now are Muschamp, Stoops, and Mason. Even Mason makes more than 71 other coaches.

It's not just the starting salaries for guys like McElwain and Smart. It's also the raises and extensions. Mullen got a $1M raise in 2014, and for what? Making MSU the answer to a trivia qiestion (who was the first team to be ranked #1 by the CFP committee).

The market has been set at around 4.0M. You can blame Jimmy Sexton, but he's doing his job. The administrations aren't.

And then you have the absurd buyouts.

ADs and college presidents need to grow some balls. Make the starting salary around 2.5 and then load it up with incentives. I'd feel better about McElwain's 4.2M if 500K of it was a bonus for getting to Atlanta. Hell, even give Mullen a little bonus for his team's academics. Pay for longevity for a coach like Saban who demonstrates continued success and is willing to stay. But start slashing base salaries.




This post was edited on 12/30/16 at 7:23 am
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22368 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 7:53 am to
If you think Bret beliema came from a weak background after winning another p5 conference, reality is going to be a bitch for you once Saban retires.

As for the bloated salaries... Alabama will have to live with this reality soon enough when their picking Sabans replacement.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26958 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 8:04 am to
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As for the bloated salaries... Alabama will have to live with this reality soon enough when their picking Sabans replacement.


Maybe. But one thing working in Alabama's favor is that their administration isn't so stupid as to give a guy a raise and extension to a guy who goes 8-5 and 7-6 and loses 5 home SEC games in a row, after already giving him a raise and extension for getting to the NC game.

Inflated salaries are one thing...moronic decision making is another thing entirely.
Posted by Benedict_ARNY
Member since Sep 2016
65 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 8:07 am to
You can blame Arkansas' fat coach for that. He left a great job for more money and will be fired next year. Coaches realize the road to the playoff is easier in other leagues.

Take it from this Clemson fan, the ACC is a way better set up for teams not named Bama. Louisville was in the freaking running this year. Even Colorado in the pac12 had a shot. Why would these coaches leave for any sec job?
Posted by DocHog
Member since Nov 2006
1915 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 8:09 am to
Claw backs are more effective motivators than bonuses. I'd set healthy salaries, and then make the coaches pay back money for their crappy teams. I'd do the same things with the buyouts. BB for example, would start with a base of a bit more than he makes, then lose money for each loss including a bowl game.

Base Salary: 4.8 - $100,000 per loss in the regular season= 4.3 million - 200,000 loss for losing 4 or more reg season games= 4.1 million - 200, 000 for losing bowl game = 3.9 million for the yr.

I'd also drive down the buyout for crappy production on the field
Posted by Benedict_ARNY
Member since Sep 2016
65 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 8:11 am to
That would ruin the sec lol. This is why Arkansas sucks.
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 1:43 pm to
These are huge universities with loyal followings that bring in lots of money and they don't have to pay the players anywhere close to market value. Of course the money is going to go somewhere else.
Posted by Kafkas father
Member since Aug 2016
1124 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

There's not a single coach in the SEC who should even SNIFF the $ Saban is making yet many of them do. That alone should tell you there's a huge problem.


Those guys got that money because they either beat Bama or coached at Bama.
Posted by HaveMercy
Member since Dec 2014
3000 posts
Posted on 12/30/16 at 3:03 pm to
quote:

The market has been set at around 4.0M. You can blame Jimmy Sexton, but he's doing his job. The administrations aren't.


Jimmy Sexton understands money and profit. College administrators do not, it's plain and simple.
Egghead collegians don't understand ROI and getting what you pay for. You've got college boards and the admins at these schools at loggerheads and someone savvy like Sexton comes in and makes serious hay from their ineptitude.

Look at what Alabama pays Saban vs the revenue the football program brings into the school. He deserves a raise, actually. Now look at what MSU pays Merlins vs their football revenue, or Bert and Arkansas.
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