Started By
Message
re: The criticism of Brian Kelly is interesting
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:19 am to Pandy Fackler
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:19 am to Pandy Fackler
quote:
quote:
quote:
if you're just looking to get paid, you're looking in the wrong place," Kelly said.
That wasn't the wisest choice of words.
It wasn't and it shows Brian Kelly isn't ready to manage an NIL roster.
Actually, it's the EXACT OPPOSITE. (you must be a democRAT.)
I believe BK went on to clarify that he has two OT's that have been starting and working their arse off since they were TRUE FRESHMEN and the implication was that paying top dollar to a portal mercenary might not be the best for team chemistry. He said that NIL is part of the program. All starters have NIL deals that they have earned and are making extra cash but it will not be used as an open slush fund to win bidding wars on portal players. Those coaches that don't see the distinction will have the most volatile rosters with the least team chemistry. (see A&M)
2
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:22 am to XbengalTiger
quote:
but it will not be used as an open slush fund to win bidding wars on portal players.
Child, please.
You aren't bringing in a starter thru the portal without opening the slush fund.
Hell... you probably broke the slush fund wide open to retain those tackles.
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 9:23 am
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:23 am to bamameister
quote:
Won't make it go away. Les Miles didn't lose a regular season OOC game for a decade. A decade stupid. The BAMA vs LSU game went nuclear. You are talking about the most anticipated game in college football when that game went prime time for a decade and everyone from LeBron James to Condoleezza Rice made the "game of the century." Each game was nothing less than brutal combat for 4 quarters between the top 10 and usually the top 5 teams.
Stay in denial. But know your Cajun history bayou by.
That's cool but Les was really falling off at the end.
He won 77% of his games at LSU, BK has won 74%, after taking over a program that was .500 two years running.
It's hilarious that people somehow try to pretend that's bad or something.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:30 am to XbengalTiger
quote:
I believe BK went on to clarify that he has two OT's that have been starting and working their arse off since they were TRUE FRESHMEN and the implication was that paying top dollar to a portal mercenary might not be the best for team chemistry. He said that NIL is part of the program. All starters have NIL deals that they have earned and are making extra cash but it will not be used as an open slush fund to win bidding wars on portal players. Those coaches that don't see the distinction will have the most volatile rosters with the least team chemistry
College football is now going into its 4th year of NIL. What was once a 2 million dollar collective is around 10 million this season and rising. What coaches say and what they do is getting very problematic. Kelly wants to sound like he's drawing lines in the NIL sand. I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:39 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:
This is one of the top 10 dumbest takes I've ever read on this site.
I disagree.
He's got a Mark Richt resume.
If you view Brian Kelly as a championship caliber HC, then you have to view Mark Richt the same way.
If you think Mark Richt was not a championship caliber HC (which is what most people believe), then you shouldn't view Kelly as one either.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:42 am to DawginSC
quote:
I disagree.
He's got a Mark Richt resume.
If you view Brian Kelly as a championship caliber HC, then you have to view Mark Richt the same way.
If you think Mark Richt was not a championship caliber HC (which is what most people believe), then you shouldn't view Kelly as one either.
I think Richt was a championship caliber head coach, the cards just never fell his way.
It's nuts that some people believe a coach just forgets how to coach when the postseason hits.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:49 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:
I think Richt was a championship caliber head coach, the cards just never fell his way.
What you’re describing isn’t a championship coach. A championship coach has his players mentally tough so they execute in pressure situations and they can overachieve when they’re not as talented. That’s what makes a championship coach. BK made ND into one of the best producers of NFL talent in college football. So, the alleged constraints against him at ND is a cop out. His guys weren’t mentally tough and they never overachieved.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:54 am to Faurot fodder
quote:
If these guys coming in for visits just flat out say "show me the money"
This is quite literally exactly what is happening in some cases.
Kelly, Deion and even Saban have alluded to it in interviews.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:54 am to Shaft Williams
quote:
What you’re describing isn’t a championship coach. A championship coach has his players mentally tough so they execute in pressure situations and they can overachieve when they’re not as talented. That’s what makes a championship coach.
That's certainly part of it but the majority of what actually happens in a game is outside of the coach's control.
One fumble or weird bounce can ruin an entire season, and you also have to be "lucky" on the injury front.
quote:
So, the alleged constraints against him at ND is a cop out.
Not really, Notre Dame hasn't even won a major bowl in 30 years.
They just aren't an elite program any longer.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 9:57 am to SidewalkTiger
I don't think anyone has any issues with what he said. I think most fans agree with it. However, when all we've heard is #NILSU for the last 2 years, it comes off a bit hypocritical... Therefore, yeah, we're going to pile on...
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:22 am to HogPharmer
quote:
I don't think anyone has any issues with what he said. I think most fans agree with it. However, when all we've heard is #NILSU for the last 2 years, it comes off a bit hypocritical... Therefore, yeah, we're going to pile on...
He didn't say they wouldn't pay players through NIL deals, in fact he said the opposite:
quote:
“If you’re just looking to get paid, then you’re looking in the wrong place,” Kelly said. “If you like all the things we do here … and having an opportunity for NIL, you should be a Tiger.
“But if you just want to get paid, this is not the place for you.”
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:24 am to HogPharmer
quote:
I don't think anyone has any issues with what he said. I think most fans agree with it. However, when all we've heard is #NILSU for the last 2 years, it comes off a bit hypocritical... Therefore, yeah, we're going to pile on...
Ok. Pile on. None of the recruits give a shite.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:26 am to HogPharmer
that a comment you freely admit you agree with is all you have to “pile on” LSU about really speaks volumes, doesn’t it?
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:27 am to Lucado
quote:
Ok. Pile on. None of the recruits give a shite.
Okay? Do you think that I think the recruits are reading my post? You guys started this 9 page thread whining about it. I'm making fun of you morons. You talk so much shite about your NIL then your coach comes out basically saying he's not playing that game. The very game you've been pounding your chest about since NIL started. It's just funny is all.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:43 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:
quote:
So, the alleged constraints against him at ND is a cop out.
Not really, Notre Dame hasn't even won a major bowl in 30 years.
They just aren't an elite program any longer.
This is a funny statement. Thank you for proving everyone's point. They have been an elite program. They just haven't won any big post-season games because they haven't had a great coach since Holtz. Who do you think lost most of those major bowls the past 30 years - Brian Kelly. The facilities, revenue, fan support, and talent say they are elite. Even with a mediocre coach they have recruited at a high level, and in Kelly's time they went to the BSC Championship Game and two college football playoffs. He just can't win the big game despite many tries.
During Brian Kelly's tenure at Notre Dame, he out-recruited LSU several years.
At 34 players, Notre Dame currently has more players in the NFL than OU, Texas, USC, Penn St or Auburn, and only three fewer than Clemson. That's shows that a load of talent has been at Notre Dame - the 9th most players of any school currently in the NFL (LSU is currently 4th at 43 players).
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:53 am to 195bc
quote:
This is a funny statement. Thank you for proving everyone's point. They have been an elite program. They just haven't won any big post-season games because they haven't had a great coach since Holtz.
Even a bad coach can win a major bowl game at a truly elite program over a 30 year span.
quote:
The facilities, revenue, fan support, and talent say they are elite.
This is objectively false, you're living in the past.
quote:
During Brian Kelly's tenure at Notre Dame, he out-recruited LSU several years.
He may have a year or two here or there, that doesn't change the fact that LSU will overall have more talent than Notre Dame.
Kelly's two LSU teams are the most talented he's ever had, on paper.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:55 am to HogPharmer
quote:
Okay? Do you think that I think the recruits are reading my post? You guys started this 9 page thread whining about it. I'm making fun of you morons. You talk so much shite about your NIL then your coach comes out basically saying he's not playing that game. The very game you've been pounding your chest about since NIL started. It's just funny is all.
So basically, most of the posters misunderstood his statement and "piled on" based on their own ignorance.
Typical Rantards
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:57 am to SidewalkTiger
OK, I admit, it doesn't really matter that Brian Kelly said those things about not taking a shot at trying to get players that only want to get paid, because it doesn't matter it it hurts his recruiting ability or not. He's just not a championship coach, so it doesn't matter if he gets those players or not.
But consider this, by average recruit ranking, LSU was 13th in the country for the 2024 class (for the high school recruiting rankings). In the overall transfer rankings, LSU was 42nd ... FORTY-TWO. That's probably not going to win a national championship, even with a pretty good coach, which LSU does not have. That's not going to win an SEC championship. If the SEC still had divisions, that wouldn't even win a divisional title.
Eleven SEC schools are in the top 25 of the 2024 transfer rankings, compared to LSU at 42. Three SEC schools are ahead in the high school overall 2024 rankings- GA, AL TX. LSU is at 7. Then OU is at 8, AU 10, FL 13, TN 14, but all these schools performed FAR BETTER in transfer recruiting. LSU is at point right now where it's literally in the middle of the pack of recruiting in the SEC.
But consider this, by average recruit ranking, LSU was 13th in the country for the 2024 class (for the high school recruiting rankings). In the overall transfer rankings, LSU was 42nd ... FORTY-TWO. That's probably not going to win a national championship, even with a pretty good coach, which LSU does not have. That's not going to win an SEC championship. If the SEC still had divisions, that wouldn't even win a divisional title.
Eleven SEC schools are in the top 25 of the 2024 transfer rankings, compared to LSU at 42. Three SEC schools are ahead in the high school overall 2024 rankings- GA, AL TX. LSU is at 7. Then OU is at 8, AU 10, FL 13, TN 14, but all these schools performed FAR BETTER in transfer recruiting. LSU is at point right now where it's literally in the middle of the pack of recruiting in the SEC.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:04 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:
I think Richt was a championship caliber head coach, the cards just never fell his way.
Richt had to deal with folks within the academic setting that often got in the way of recruiting.
Kirby took the job on the condition that he wouldn't have to put up with what Richt did.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:12 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:
quote:
This is a funny statement. Thank you for proving everyone's point. They have been an elite program. They just haven't won any big post-season games because they haven't had a great coach since Holtz.
Even a bad coach can win a major bowl game at a truly elite program over a 30 year span.
quote:
The facilities, revenue, fan support, and talent say they are elite.
This is objectively false, you're living in the past.
quote:
During Brian Kelly's tenure at Notre Dame, he out-recruited LSU several years.
He may have a year or two here or there, that doesn't change the fact that LSU will overall have more talent than Notre Dame.
Kelly's two LSU teams are the most talented he's ever had, on paper.
1. Kelly never won a major bowl game at Notre Dame. But Notre has been elite for 80 years.
2. Notre Dame has great facilities. Notre Dame has top-tier revenue. Notre Dame has excellent fan support. They have elite history. They have eight double-digit win seasons since 2010. They have the ninth most players in the NFL. They've been to the playoff or BCS championship three times since 2010. Those are called facts. And those facts show that ND is an elite program that had a coach that couldn't win a big game. I probably need to remind you that Notre Dame has been to the BSC Championship game and playoffs more times since 2010 than LSU. So if Notre isn't elite, LSU isn't elite. But LSU is elite, and so it Notre Dame. And Kelly will do exactly, or worse, at LSU as he did at Notre Dame ... and that is win zero championships.
3. So you say Kelly's two teams at LSU have the most talent he's ever had. Even though LSU recruiting in 2024 is not good by SEC standards, you may be right. But oh, remind me how many playoff appearances he's had the past two years? How many SEC championships did he have the past two years? With all that talent and a Heisman winner, he finished 3rd in the DIVISION last year. You continue to help make the point that Kelly is a mediocre coach. And as mentioned, the recruiting this year fell even further behind in the SEC, so his talent pool compared to other SEC schools is getting worse.
I feel like I'm arguing with a child ... that also has a mental disability.
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 11:27 am
Page 9 of 12
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News