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re: The Coach who never punts
Posted on 11/15/13 at 2:13 am to IAmReality
Posted on 11/15/13 at 2:13 am to IAmReality
I don't know about a blanket strategy but I'm heavily inclined to agree that coaches are too conservative wrt punts, onside kicks and 2pt conversions.
I think they're also too conservative wrt run/pass ratio -- teams should be passing more.
I think they're also too conservative wrt run/pass ratio -- teams should be passing more.
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Posted on 11/15/13 at 2:13 am to IAmReality
I don't have anything to say other than it's nice to read a thread that isn't the same old people saying the same stupid shite. 
Posted on 11/15/13 at 3:05 am to IAmReality
Gregg Easterbrook has been writing about this coach for several years in his Tuesday Morning Quarterback column. I agree with several subsequent posts: it makes more sense in high school with crappy punters than it does in college or the NFL. But I still like that he's playing the odds rather than worrying so much about failing.
It would have worked especially well on my high school team, where our punter actually had a backwards punt.
It would have worked especially well on my high school team, where our punter actually had a backwards punt.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 4:55 am to FourThreeForty
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Football is Xs and Os.
Not variables and percentages.
Expected points can be mathematically figured out and sometimes a play call is correct and sometimes it is incorrect.
I bet some math wiz could whip up a program that could out coach most human coaches pretty easily using an EP system.
This post was edited on 11/15/13 at 4:56 am
Posted on 11/15/13 at 6:02 am to finestfirst79
My senior year of highschool we didn't punt the entire year nor did we kick any extra points or field goals. The only time we lined up in a field goal formation was a fake for a TD.
This was more out of necessity than any sort of actual strategy because we didn't have a single soul on the team who could even begin to think about kicking effectively but it worked none the less.
This was more out of necessity than any sort of actual strategy because we didn't have a single soul on the team who could even begin to think about kicking effectively but it worked none the less.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 6:17 am to IAmReality
It makes sense.
Like when arkytards went off on Beliema for going for an onside kick early against AU, like that somehow gave the game away. Bert risked about 20 yards of field position for a chance to get the ball right back, and that's a good gamble especially when your defense is giving up 10 YPC anyway.
Like when arkytards went off on Beliema for going for an onside kick early against AU, like that somehow gave the game away. Bert risked about 20 yards of field position for a chance to get the ball right back, and that's a good gamble especially when your defense is giving up 10 YPC anyway.
This post was edited on 11/15/13 at 6:18 am
Posted on 11/15/13 at 6:50 am to IAmReality
Most coaches are so afraid of looking silly to the fans and coaching community that they vastly undervalue POSSESSION of the football. They say possession is 9/10ths of the law. Well, possession is 99/100ths of scoring in football. There is way too much punting within the opponents' side of the 50 - something that should almost never be done.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 6:56 am to IAmReality
Avoyelles high near marksvill has been using this strategy for several years along with the spin offense, a triple running back attack where they go in all directions and the defense can't tell who has the ball. It's quite effective offensively but they have no defense so when playing another team with a capable o, you see scores like 72-68 due to giving the other team a short field when you don't convert or get the onside kick.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 7:03 am to Ton Chou
High school coach in Arkansas you say? Hmmm...
Posted on 11/15/13 at 7:16 am to IAmReality
Posted on 11/15/13 at 8:20 am to RollTide1987
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He gets it done. Since 2003 he is 124-22 running this style of football. That includes a 10-0 record heading into the playoffs this season as well as 3 state titles.
That's an impressive record, but there are high school teams with great records running all sorts of offenses. I'm suspicious if this would work at the highest levels, particularly against evenly matched teams where field position is so important.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 8:54 am to BamaDude06
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A bad college punter can be an amazing high school one, relatively speaking. Same with kickers. I remember being at one where the team attempted a PAT after their first two touchdowns. Their "kicker" was barely able to get the ball in the air, and neither PATs were even close to being good.
We had a kicker like this in high school. He's still holding some of the top 3 records in Tennessee for high school, but he did not do well at USCe.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 8:58 am to IAmReality
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high school coach out of Arkansas.
There you go Pigs...your next hire!
Posted on 11/15/13 at 8:59 am to IAmReality
If you average more than 2.5 yards a play...
Posted on 11/15/13 at 9:07 am to Master of Sinanju
He's a good coach with an impressive record but another thing you need to consider is that he coaches at a wealthy private school in a metro area. He has resources and parent buy-in that most of his competition don't have. When you compare Pulaski Academy to Helena - West Helena or Sylvan Hills you're not exactly comparing apples to apples.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 9:09 am to Scoreboard
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Most coaches are so afraid of looking silly to the fans and coaching community
Agreed, a lot of coaches probably choose worse option purely to avoid drawing criticism from ignorant fans and media pinheads. It just makes their lives easier and gives them better job security.
Second guessing and playing Monday morning quarterback is pretty much the only thing most "fans" do.
I remember last year when Baylor played at West Virginia, the final score was 70-63 I believe (10 TD's to 9 TD's), every team was scoring a TD every drive.
I told my friends that the teams were stupid for not onside kicking it every time, I mean, what good is kicking it deep doing? They're gonna score anyway, but a recovered onsides kick could win the game.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 9:10 am to IAmReality
As I said before, having a great punter or place kicker does change up the %'s, making punting or kicking of less bad and maybe sometimes correct.
However the underlying point is coaches too frequently take the conservative route when the aggressive one might be better. There's slightly more risk but a ton more potential reward.
However the underlying point is coaches too frequently take the conservative route when the aggressive one might be better. There's slightly more risk but a ton more potential reward.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 9:48 am to mulletproof
quote:hell yeah!
Hell yeah bring back the drop kick, but let it be worth 4 points! Usher in the era of the "triple threat" quarterback.
Saban would grumble at first and then claim he likes it and will try to mix it in.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 10:05 am to LoveHandle
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Sylvan Hills
Posted on 11/15/13 at 10:09 am to hogminer
I feel like we are talking about arena football.
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