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The biggest Miles issue is that he brought back Cameron this year

Posted on 9/9/16 at 7:48 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 7:48 am
This year, in the normal cycles of head coaches, was the year Miles needed to make some bold internal moves, let Cameron go and bring in a coordinator who is more progressive and open minded. That doesn't mean he had to hire an Air Raid guy, but something along the lines of what Saban did in getting Kiffin or Bert with Enos. There are PLENTY of sharp pro-style type coordinators out there who would LOVE to come to LSU and work with all those weapons and work for Miles (just like Aranda on defense).

To this day I do not understand why Cameron was kept around. And, I truly believe if Miles brought in a well respected OC along with Aranda and to go with his recruiting abilities and general skills that he would win and be at LSU for a while.

Just a devastatingly stupid decision.
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 8:18 am
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
123622 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 7:50 am to
But Miles is a great man. Look at what he's done at LSU! Ignore the past 4 years, but look at what's he's done!
Posted by Pitch To Johnny
Houston
Member since Jun 2015
4195 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 7:50 am to
I completely agree, but I think Les is handcuffing the OCs, so I don't think it would have made much of a difference.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 7:51 am to
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but I think Les is handcuffing the OCs, so I don't think it would have made much of a difference


Maybe so - but you can still creatively work within the pretenses of Miles preferred system, not to mention develop QBs.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67590 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 7:52 am to
I don't know that a good OC would even come to coach under miles...miles won't allow the OC to implement his system
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 7:52 am to
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But Miles is a great man. Look at what he's done at LSU! Ignore the past 4 years, but look at what's he's done!


But LSU wasn't always a miserable stone age offense. Hire a 2016 version of Jimbo and I guarantee those results are different.

It's all water under the bridge now and he'll probably pay the price for it.
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
31805 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 7:52 am to
The OC doesn't matter. It hasn't mattered for the last 8 years
Posted by Fan of Football
Jeanerette
Member since Sep 2016
657 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 7:53 am to
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And, I truly believe if Miles brought in a well respected OC

This! Why should we clean house when the right OC would have us back to Alabama's level.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 7:54 am to
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miles won't allow the OC to implement his system


Miles let Jimbo and Gary Crowton run systems that weren't toss dive, toss dive, 4 stop routes. He let Cameron throw the ball all over the yard in 2014.
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
19299 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 7:55 am to
Had CLM fired Cam, he would have had 5 OC's in 10 yrs. OC is not the problem. Consider that Jimbo left in disgust after his first yr as CLM's OC. Too, under those circumstances of last yr, with CLM apparently on his way out the door, short term or otherwise, who would have come to LSU knowing he may only have one yr?
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
9590 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 7:56 am to
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I don't know that a good OC would even come to coach under miles...miles won't allow the OC to implement his system
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 7:58 am to
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who would have come to LSU knowing he may only have one yr?


Dave Aranda?
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 8:00 am to
Man, I remember when Cameron was hired by Miles and LSU fans were convinced that they'd destroy the SEC with an elite offense
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67590 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 8:04 am to
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Miles let Jimbo and Gary Crowton run systems that weren't toss dive, toss dive, 4 stop routes


he was building up his ego...the more popular he got the more he wants his offense

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He let Cameron throw the ball all over the yard in 2014.


passing ranks since 2008

2008-71
2009-97
2010-107
2011-106
2012-94
2013-45
2014-116
2015-106
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 8:09 am to
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2008-71
2009-97
2010-107
2011-106
2012-94
2013-45
2014-116
2015-106


QB Ratings since 2008
2008 - 80th
2009 - 49th
2010 - 92nd
2011 - 24th
2012 - 79th
2013 - 6th
2014 - 71st
2015 - 65th

But the issue is really opening things up

Pass Attempts per Game
2008 - 71st (30.1)
2009 - 95th (25.8)
2010 - 108th (23.2)
2011 - 113th (19.9)
2012 - 100th (27.4)
2013 - 108th (25.1)
2014 - 120th (21.2)
2015 - 116th (23.1)


That's crazy
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 8:10 am
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 8:11 am to
and BDP, frick les miles and frick Joe Alleva for allowing him to turn our program into the Les Miles and buddies frat house.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
10615 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 8:12 am to
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death nail


Death knell.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43823 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 8:17 am to
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Pass Attempts per Game
2008 - 71st (30.1)
2009 - 95th (25.8)
2010 - 108th (23.2)
2011 - 113th (19.9)
2012 - 100th (27.4)
2013 - 108th (25.1)
2014 - 120th (21.2)
2015 - 116th (23.1)


2008: The year that broke Les Miles forever.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67590 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 8:17 am to
He isn't opening up shite
Posted by YouAre8Up
in a house
Member since Mar 2011
12792 posts
Posted on 9/9/16 at 8:19 am to
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But Miles is a great man. Look at what he's done at LSU! Ignore the past 4 years, but look at what's he's done!


Says Choctaw.
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