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re: The Biggest Flaw With The New College Football Playoff Is Already A Huge Problem
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:21 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:21 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
If FSU goes undefeated in the ACC they haven't done shyt. In the SEC west the might win 4 games out of 8.
The biggest problem is they put the power in the hands of 13 now 12 people with ZERO CRITERIA save this stupid thing about conference champions mattering, I am sorry, all conferences aren't equal.
The should have kept the unbiased polls, with voters from all over, ditching the coaches poll and bringing back the AP, Harris and adding a 3rd poll, and continued using the computers.
Now you have idiots talking about injuries, you have college football final placing Oregon and Notre Dame in the playoff, if it ended today over Bama or Auburn simply because they need to be diverse, instead of telling us who the best four teams are currently.
WELFARE FOR THE REST OF THE BYCHES is what we shpuld call the playoff.
The biggest problem is they put the power in the hands of 13 now 12 people with ZERO CRITERIA save this stupid thing about conference champions mattering, I am sorry, all conferences aren't equal.
The should have kept the unbiased polls, with voters from all over, ditching the coaches poll and bringing back the AP, Harris and adding a 3rd poll, and continued using the computers.
Now you have idiots talking about injuries, you have college football final placing Oregon and Notre Dame in the playoff, if it ended today over Bama or Auburn simply because they need to be diverse, instead of telling us who the best four teams are currently.
WELFARE FOR THE REST OF THE BYCHES is what we shpuld call the playoff.
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:25 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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WELFARE FOR THE REST OF THE BYCHES is what we shpuld call the playoff.
Sorry Bama won't get handed championships anymore. Are you scared of East Carolina?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:26 am to Cheese Grits
Writer of the article, Cork Gaines, fits in with most sports writer hacks. You be the judge:
After earning a PhD in molecular biology and spending several years working as a scientist and crime scene investigator, Cork’s Tampa Bay Rays blog earned him a full-time gig as a sports writer for Business Insider, where he has been churning out mainstream and offbeat sports news for a few years now.
Obviously an expert on NCAA
After earning a PhD in molecular biology and spending several years working as a scientist and crime scene investigator, Cork’s Tampa Bay Rays blog earned him a full-time gig as a sports writer for Business Insider, where he has been churning out mainstream and offbeat sports news for a few years now.
Obviously an expert on NCAA
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:27 am to OlGrandad
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After earning a PhD in molecular biology
So, you have a problem with him because he is smart?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:34 am to TxTiger82
a big problem i have with this committee is having people like condoleezza rice and that general from air force. now, i appreciate their service to this country but how exactly are they qualified to make college football selections? as others have said, there was nothing inherently wrong with the bcs formula, they just needed to add more teams. honestly, i was fine with only having 2, but i can see the argument for 4, but letting a panel decide on those teams just opens the door for even more controversy than we had before.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:37 am to TxTiger82
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CFB could include all conference champions with a 12-team format. 10 automatic bids. 2 at large bids. Top 4 teams get a first round bye (like the NFL).
Everybody's included. The top teams are "rewarded." Seems fair to me.
You just don't seem to get it. Playoff is about making the pie slices bigger for fewer conferences not making smaller slices for the masses.
Look at it this way, the 4 CCG's are the defacto 8 team "playoff" everybody keeps demanding but are too blind to see they are already here.
Think of an 8 team playoff this way :
Bracket #1 = ACC CCG
Team 1 = ACC Atlantic
Team 2 = ACC Costal
Bracket #2 = SEC CCG
Team 1 = SEC East
Team 2 = SEC west
Sugar Bowl game "brand" value is protected going forward
Bracket #3 = B1G CCG
Team 1 = B1G East
Team 2 = B1G West
Bracket #4 = PAC CCG
Team 1 = PAC North
Team 2 = PAC South
Rose Bowl game "brand" value is protected going forward
This gives you the 4 team Playoff base seeds. If 1 or 2 of these CCG's produce a questionable team the playoff substitutes with Notre Dame, Texas, or Oklahoma if they are having a good year. If none of those teams work, then they fill with the next biggest media value team.
Hence, the 8 team playoff is already here and it insures the Big 3 maintain the big slices of the pies they are accustomed to. They may throw a scrap to a team outside this sphere or to a lesser market in this sphere but it will be in one of the other bowl games seeded by the playoff committee.
Delany and Scott wanted this playoff because they knew they could use their CCG's to get their teams in while squeezing a 2nd SEC team out. You can deny this all you want but politics and money will always beat out the common fan. That was obvious the day they let the commercials become more important than the play of the actual game. Look carefully at how the committee was stacked from day one and you can see all you need to see.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:41 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
There has never been more than 4 teams that deserve a shot at the title. It is usually around 3 teams at the end of the year that is playing well. If we start letting more than 4, you will have team like ND, or BYU who get in based on their history, or very easy reg season sechdules. A 4 team playoff is perfect, IMO.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:44 am to schexyoung
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This is why they should have used the BCS formula to determine the four teams.
This.
There was nothing wrong with the selection formula in use, it just needed to be expanded to a larger field.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:44 am to lsufball19
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it's supposed to pick the 4 best teams, regardless of conference
And the old format was supposed to take into consideration the strength of schedule just like this one. "Supposed to "will be a common theme after the selection each yr.
The OP is right, U have 5 Power conferences how can u have 4 spots? And whether u believe there are 5 real power conferences doesnt matter, theyre there.
All the SEC people think its a given that one of their teams will get in each yr. When they leave the SEC champ out because they had two losses, then u will know how stupid it is to have 5 conferences but only let 4 in.
I think the NFL should eliminate the NFC South champ from entering the playoffs. Sounds fair, doesnt it?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:49 am to lsufball19
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a big problem i have with this committee is having people like condoleezza rice and that general from air force.
He is a football writer, not a member of the selection committee.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:50 am to Cheese Grits
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You just don't seem to get it. Playoff is about making the pie slices bigger for fewer conferences not making smaller slices for the masses.
And you don't seem to get that I am arguing it shouldn't be that way. It isn't that way in any other NCAA sport, why should it be for football?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:54 am to lsufball19
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a big problem i have with this committee is having people like condoleezza rice and that general from air force
Again, further proof of the power of politics and power over fan desires.
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honestly, i was fine with only having 2, but i can see the argument for 4
In most every year 2 is all you really need. the year we had 5 can no longer exist. TCU is now in the B12 and Utah is now in the PAC. the line shifted from 128 FBS schools to 64 Big 5 schools and 64 Gang of 5 schools. My guess is pretty soon the Gang of 5 will form their own playoff especially as the Big 5 have gotten the first step in breaking away from the NCAA by the granting of autonomy in the last NCAA vote.
The BCS actually worked pretty well in picking #1 vs #2 - which is all it was really supposed to do - but when the SEC got #1 and #2 the B1G and PAC realized they not only got no $$$$, but they got no exposure. For all the money they had tied up in college football this just did not play well at all. Now we have a system that "validates" the CCG's and makes sure the SEC never gets 2 teams in again.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:56 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
I can't believe people still want computers involved. 
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:59 am to Stonehog
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quote:There is a bigger flaw than that, from a fairness standpoint, which is that there are actually 10 FBS conferences. With 5 "power" conferences, the other five will never play for a championship. Think about that. CFB is the only college sport where half of the teams in a division have no chance (OK, an extremely small chance) of playing for a championship. This is what will bring about the next big split in college football. Same thing happened in the 80s with Division 1-A and 1-AA.
To fix this we would need to turn it into 4 power conferences, with 4 lower conferences for a total of 8. And use the same system the English football league uses, where teams can drop to the lower level or jump to the top level depending on their performance.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:00 am to RandySavage
NCAA basketball uses a committee, they take 68 teams and teams 69-74 still cry like little bitches that they didn't get in.......
There will be no end to the amount of teams they "should" expand to.....
4 is fine, frick you if you aren't undefeated in a Power 5 conference.
There will be no end to the amount of teams they "should" expand to.....
4 is fine, frick you if you aren't undefeated in a Power 5 conference.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:01 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
I think 6 would have been the real perfect number.
5 champions and 1 at-large with the top two getting first round byes. I'd be afraid that going to 8 would take away some of the importance of conference championship games, with highly-ranked teams going in knowing it isn't paramount to win to make the playoff. With six, they would still be fighting for the two byes.
5 champions and 1 at-large with the top two getting first round byes. I'd be afraid that going to 8 would take away some of the importance of conference championship games, with highly-ranked teams going in knowing it isn't paramount to win to make the playoff. With six, they would still be fighting for the two byes.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:01 am to TxTiger82
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And you don't seem to get that I am arguing it shouldn't be that way. It isn't that way in any other NCAA sport, why should it be for football?
You do not seem to understand that I agree with you 100%. However, we are just fans and not part of the process, so what we want does not mean crap. Personally, I think it will ruin the football I grew up with but once my generation dies off the moneymen will sell future generations of sheep whatever they think will fill their wallets. I am just glad my dad - who played ball in the SEC - did not live to see what it has become and my grandfathers - who were also athletes - did not live to see what all this has become.
College football is big business now and the folks in charge have no money of their own in the pot. At least the NFL means the owners have to cough up some of their own dough for the right to own their team.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:02 am to TxTiger82
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Four teams is hardly a playoff at all, in my opinion.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:04 am to LSUANDY25
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The OP is right, U have 5 Power conferences how can u have 4 spots? And whether u believe there are 5 real power conferences doesnt matter, theyre there.
ok, so in 2012 Nebraska was Big10 champs. They were 7-5. Did they deserve to be in the playoffs because they had one big game and benefitted from the fact that the top two teams in their division were on probation? Sounds fair, right? The NCAA football champion should be awarded to the best team, not the team who has a couple good games, period. You have 12 regular season games to show your worth. If you lose 3 games or more, imo, you haven't earned the right to play for the national title.
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