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Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:15 am to TOFTR
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Wait, what about the decades without an Iron Bowl because of some Yellowhammer State butthurt?
Bama was the one who ran away from the Iron Bowl. At the time that the hiatus began in 1907 Auburn was the better program and held the series lead. It took an act of state legislature to get them to face us again.
Dodging Auburn to make the schedule easier allowed them to make their first run at national success in the 20's, which is the foundation on which their program is built. It also allowed them to attract a player from Arkansas by the name of Paul Bryant.
When the series resumed in 1948 it didn't take long for Auburn to regain command of the series. This culminated in a stretch in the 50's that included 5 straight Iron Bowl wins, back-to-back undefeated seasons, and a National Championship for Auburn.
In direct retaliation to Auburn's domination of the series Alabama hired a former player with a budding successful coaching career by the name of Paul Bryant. At the time the "Bear" took the reigns in Tuscaloosa Auburn held the series lead and was in better shape as a program.
An almost identical situation occurred nearly 50 years later. Auburn was again the superior program in the state and in the midst of a 6 game win streak over Alabama, that included an undefeated season for Auburn.
In direct retaltion to this Alabama fired its HC and hired a man by the name of Nick Saban, who was attracted to Tuscaloosa solely by the prospect of returning Alabama to its former glory.
tl;dr - Alabama owes literally all of its success on the national scale to being pushed by little bro.
You can address your thank you cards to 251 South Donahue Drive. Auburn, AL 36849
You're welcome.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 2:22 am to TOFTR
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I'm sure Vandy would sway the shite out of them if the office were in Nashville
Nashville would actually be a great host city for it but a lot of Bammers would cry foul. There are some who think SEC Commissioner Roy Kramer was against them and made schedules to help UT and hurt Alabama because Kramer went to Maryville College. Nevermind that he actually worked for Vandy as an AD. They think Kramer's special rules are still in effect too.
I mean look:
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ALA2262 03-11-2015, 07:27 AM
Bama faces the maximum 3 teams with a bye. Again. LSU and Auburn both face two. No other teams face more than one. Nine of the 14 are prior to West Division teams. UGA and UF are both off prior to their game so that accounts for two of the five prior to East Division teams.
Edit: Nothing new. Has been occurring from day one in 1992. An average of 6 or 7 open dates prior to games with Bama per year. Prior to 2010, three or four would take the week off and four or three would schedule the cupcakes. Bama would complain each year to deaf ears, nothing would be done, and life would go on.
In 2010 the SEC wound up with egg on their face because all six took the week off. They had no choice but to institute a maximum number. They continue, however, to schedule the 6 or 7 open dates prior to Bama games.
A closer look at all teams regarding this issue reveals that the Roy Kramer influence on SEC scheduling is still alive and well. Little question that Bama and UK are ut's largest rivals.
Six schools have open dates prior to playing Bama in 2015 and 3 took the week off and 3 scheduled cupcakes. Next on the list is, you guessed it, UK with 5. No other school has more than 3.
Need I tell you that at the bottom of the list is ut with just one!? MO plays BYU the week prior to their game with ut. All other ut SEC opponents were scheduled (by the SEC) a conference game.
Roy Kramer SEC Schedule Rule #1-Do anything that will help ut. Roy Kramer SEC Schedule Rule #2-Do anything that will hurt Bama.
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Posted on 8/12/16 at 3:02 am to BowlJackson
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BowlJackson
Are you one of the numerous Auburn fans who get upset when anyone mentions Vandy's record against Auburn and whines about how long ago lots of the games were? If not, please reword this post (just switch out a couple parts) to talk about Vandy/Auburn and send it to your fellow Burners. Thanks.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 3:41 am to randomways
Why would I get upset about that? Nobody actually thinks that makes y'all better.
More than half the games were before WW2 and y'all have beat us twice since the Korean War. It's a curious stat used for shite talking, but overall meaningless. Had we played y'all annually like Bama, we would have a similar series record.
Pointing out facts when discussing history to understand why things are the way they are is not whining btw.
Rewording it to AU and Vandy would make no sense. You are not instate and have never been a rival. You are meaningless to Auburn and have never compelled us to do anything as a program. You have zero impact on the history of Auburn or our athletic department. That was the entire point of the post. I thought y'all were supposed to be the smart guys around here?
More than half the games were before WW2 and y'all have beat us twice since the Korean War. It's a curious stat used for shite talking, but overall meaningless. Had we played y'all annually like Bama, we would have a similar series record.
Pointing out facts when discussing history to understand why things are the way they are is not whining btw.
Rewording it to AU and Vandy would make no sense. You are not instate and have never been a rival. You are meaningless to Auburn and have never compelled us to do anything as a program. You have zero impact on the history of Auburn or our athletic department. That was the entire point of the post. I thought y'all were supposed to be the smart guys around here?
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:45 am to randomways
Could not give a frick about Vandy if I even had one to give about them and this stat, although I did almost go to school there. 13-2 record against Vandy in my lifetime.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:18 am to BowlJackson
I've seen countless posts by Auburn fans trying to discount Alabama's tradition, but I think this is the first one I've seen trying to take credit for it. That's a bold strategy.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:25 am to AU24
Proves AU has had a historically harder road
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:36 am to AU24
Quality offseason post. Have an upvote.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:50 am to BowlJackson
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Bama was the one who ran away from the Iron Bowl. At the time that the hiatus began in 1907 Auburn was the better program and held the series lead. It took an act of state legislature to get them to face us again.
We were 3-2-1 vs you guys up through 1907.
Winning % from 1908-1947:
% W L T Total Played
BAMA: 0.76667 266 74 20 360
barn: 0.58451 196 136 23 355
From 1908-1947 we had the second best winning % behind ND. The barn was #77.
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We won national titles in 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934 and 1941. During the same period you guys won zero.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:53 am to AU24
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2) Alabama 76-61-55
That's a lot of ties since 1980.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:54 am to Crimson Wraith
Auburn is lucky to have dodged us during the 20's, 30's, and 40's. Otherwise our series lead against them would be around 25-30 games.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:57 am to TheDude321
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Fair point--the Big Six has had a changing membership roster over the years. Auburn didn't pass Tulane's number of SEC titles until 1988 or Ole Miss' number of SEC titles until 2010. Florida didn't pass Tulane until 1995 or Ole Miss until 2006. Bama and LSU are to be commended for having the courage to schedule Tulane and Ole Miss in the SEC's earlier years while other SEC schools dodged Tulane and Ole Miss and instead padded their win totals by scheduling Auburn and Florida.
Ole Miss won all 6 of their SEC championships from 1947 to 1963. Alabama and Ole Miss did not play each other from 1944 to 1964. Your point, at least as it pertains to Ole Miss, is invalid.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 7:01 am to Luke
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Proves AU has had a historically harder road
Makes sense.
Auburn had to play Alabama - Alabama only had to play Auburn.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 7:20 am to AU24
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Number of games played vs other big 6 schools
1) Auburn 384
2) Alabama 365
3) UGA 354
4) Florida 322
5) Tennessee 272
6) LSU 254
But schedule threads...
This post was edited on 8/12/16 at 7:23 am
Posted on 8/12/16 at 7:24 am to BowlJackson
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Bama was the one who ran away from the Iron Bowl.
Ah, Auburn fan revisionist history. Your make believe success during that time frame is not why the series stopped. It stopped due to a dispute over how much the schools should get per player to visit.
Basically, by blowing this out of the water, the rest of your post is irrelevant, but Auburn, not Alabama, benefited from the series being suspended. Alabama, as you have noted yourself, was the power in the time frame that the game was being played. Auburn was a middling, barely mediocre program while Alabama was established as one of the football powers, helping put Southern football on the map. Alabama was just the better program:
Alabama: .766 Win %, .728 Conf Win %, 6 undefeated seasons, 8 conference championships.
Auburn: .588 Win %, .537 Conf Win %, 3 undefeated seasons, 3 conference championships.
Looking at this, it could be inferred that Auburn was so scared ****less of Alabama that any chance of reconciliation was impossible.
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When the series resumed in 1948 it didn't take long for Auburn to regain command of the series.
Probably the biggest lie you tell yourself, I imagine.
Even with the Whitworth era at Alabama, the post-hatchet era of the Iron Bowl was in favor for Auburn by a whopping 6-5 record, ending in Bryant's first season.
Bryant was hired because we sucked. Beating Alabama during that period was nothing new. See, Auburn hires coaches based on just playing us. Alabama hires coaches based on how they do overall.
Since the day the series started, Auburn is 28-40 vs Alabama. Without those streaks that you love to pull out against the two worst coaches we've had in that time frame, Auburn is a blatantly pathetic 17-40 - a .298 win %.
You are not our rivals.
You're barely a speed bump that relies on Alabama to have a cracked engine block to accumulate any success at all.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 7:47 am to BowlJackson
Bama was the one who ran away from the Iron Bowl. At the time that the hiatus began in 1907 Auburn was the better program and held the series lead. It took an act of state legislature to get them to face us again.
Dodging Auburn to make the schedule easier allowed them to make their first run at national success in the 20's, which is the foundation on which their program is built. It also allowed them to attract a player from Arkansas by the name of Paul Bryant.
When the series resumed in 1948 it didn't take long for Auburn to regain command of the series. This culminated in a stretch in the 50's that included 5 straight Iron Bowl wins, back-to-back undefeated seasons, and a National Championship for Auburn.
In direct retaliation to Auburn's domination of the series Alabama hired a former player with a budding successful coaching career by the name of Paul Bryant. At the time the "Bear" took the reigns in Tuscaloosa Auburn held the series lead and was in better shape as a program.
Not really. Even though AU won the first game they were viewed as the "heathen" as Gay Telese put it. It was a 2nd rate school with 2nd rate students and we knew we were on the cusp of becoming a national player. We didnt run, we just knew that we were gonna be THE team and didnt want you to be connected to us as we looked down on the Ag school with each its non law, non medical students. No Aubie can deny those years that we didn't play, Aubie suffered big time. You were pulling a UAB in that we were gonna save your starving program by giving you one game people would be interested in. You made us start playing again gong to the state house to whine so you could attach yourself to us in some way which validated your program which had been bad. The same reason some of these schools beg us to be their rival. If they attach themselves to us it puts them on our level. Harbaugh is doing it now to try to get Michigan attached to us. Bottom line with Aubie, We didn't need you nor did we want to validate you as we owned southern football and Alabama. Renewing the rivalry after Montgomery said to did nothing for our program and saved yours.
Dodging Auburn to make the schedule easier allowed them to make their first run at national success in the 20's, which is the foundation on which their program is built. It also allowed them to attract a player from Arkansas by the name of Paul Bryant.
When the series resumed in 1948 it didn't take long for Auburn to regain command of the series. This culminated in a stretch in the 50's that included 5 straight Iron Bowl wins, back-to-back undefeated seasons, and a National Championship for Auburn.
In direct retaliation to Auburn's domination of the series Alabama hired a former player with a budding successful coaching career by the name of Paul Bryant. At the time the "Bear" took the reigns in Tuscaloosa Auburn held the series lead and was in better shape as a program.
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An almost identical situation occurred nearly 50 years later. Auburn was again the superior program in the state and in the midst of a 6 game win streak over Alabama, that included an undefeated season for Auburn.
In direct retaltion to this Alabama fired its HC and hired a man by the name of Nick Saban, who was attracted to Tuscaloosa solely by the prospect of returning Alabama to its former glory.
Not really. Even though AU won the first game they were viewed as the "heathen" as Gay Telese put it. It was a 2nd rate school with 2nd rate students and we knew we were on the cusp of becoming a national player. We didnt run, we just knew that we were gonna be THE team and didnt want you to be connected to us as we looked down on the Ag school with each its non law, non medical students. No Aubie can deny those years that we didn't play, Aubie suffered big time. You were pulling a UAB in that we were gonna save your starving program by giving you one game people would be interested in. You made us start playing again gong to the state house to whine so you could attach yourself to us in some way which validated your program which had been bad. The same reason some of these schools beg us to be their rival. If they attach themselves to us it puts them on our level. Harbaugh is doing it now to try to get Michigan attached to us. Bottom line with Aubie, We didn't need you nor did we want to validate you as we owned southern football and Alabama. Renewing the rivalry after Montgomery said to did nothing for our program and saved yours.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 7:48 am to I-H8-BAMA
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LSU is the best team from 2000 on confirmed.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 8:00 am to BowlJackson
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Now I know you weren't aware of any of this because it happened before 2008.... But 100+ years of that type of annual scheduling really adds up
Not to mention Alabama can't play Alabama
Posted on 8/12/16 at 8:02 am to BowlJackson
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Bama was the one who ran away from the Iron Bowl. At the time that the hiatus began in 1907 Auburn was the better program and held the series lead. It took an act of state legislature to get them to face us again.
LOL - the overall record would be much, much uglier for Auburn if Alabama and Auburn had played through the 20s, 30s and 40s.
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