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The best opinion I've heard re agents and impermissible benefits
Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:22 am
Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:22 am
Came from Mr. Jack Arute on Sirius XM yesterday.
Hey NFL, college football is providing you with an invaluable service... for free.
You're getting highly trained, well nourished, hand-selected men from the masses of the population who have been through 4 years of football played at a high level and in a highly publicized and pressured arena. These universities paid to do the ground work to find and evaluate these men, train them, test them, and send the very best of them off to you.
These men also had to go through some responsibility off the field via the classroom and dorm/college life away from home which gives you the opportunity to evaluate their character and personal discipline as well.
If the NCAA or the presidents of these universities begin to steer college football away from this favorable system for you due to heavy scandal - or, change the philosophy of the way college athletics is treated (weighing more heavily academics over athletics) - then you've lost this invaluable, FREE service.
It's time for the NFL itself to heavily punish agents who are caught soliciting college athletes during their college career by breaking NCAA rules. Suspend them. Ban agents who have a history of bribing and meddling in college players lives during their college careers.
Otherwise you could lose this unbelievably favorable system for you.
I know many states have also enacted laws against this, which is a good thing, but I haven't seen where any agents have yet been prosecuted.
Hey NFL, college football is providing you with an invaluable service... for free.
You're getting highly trained, well nourished, hand-selected men from the masses of the population who have been through 4 years of football played at a high level and in a highly publicized and pressured arena. These universities paid to do the ground work to find and evaluate these men, train them, test them, and send the very best of them off to you.
These men also had to go through some responsibility off the field via the classroom and dorm/college life away from home which gives you the opportunity to evaluate their character and personal discipline as well.
If the NCAA or the presidents of these universities begin to steer college football away from this favorable system for you due to heavy scandal - or, change the philosophy of the way college athletics is treated (weighing more heavily academics over athletics) - then you've lost this invaluable, FREE service.
It's time for the NFL itself to heavily punish agents who are caught soliciting college athletes during their college career by breaking NCAA rules. Suspend them. Ban agents who have a history of bribing and meddling in college players lives during their college careers.
Otherwise you could lose this unbelievably favorable system for you.
I know many states have also enacted laws against this, which is a good thing, but I haven't seen where any agents have yet been prosecuted.
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Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:26 am to Mohican
Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:45 am to thatguy1892
I like it.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:47 am to Mohican
I also like the one-year moratorium idea.
For one year, the NCAA agrees not to sanction any player that had previous or current contact with an agent as long as they come forward and name names.
NCAA and the NFL could really clean house.
It might get dirty again, but it would be clean for a little while.
For one year, the NCAA agrees not to sanction any player that had previous or current contact with an agent as long as they come forward and name names.
NCAA and the NFL could really clean house.
It might get dirty again, but it would be clean for a little while.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:47 am to Mohican
That's really the only thing that can curtail this. The problem is that the NFL usually leaves agent oversight to the NFLPA, and what incentive does the NFLPA have to stop this. if the NFL moved in to regukate agents more fiercely, then they could spark yet another war between themselves and the players.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 8:59 am to Mohican
it sounds good and i think they should police the agents. but they will not lose the present system. never. college football is huge and very profitable to lots of people.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:09 am to Mohican
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I know many states have also enacted laws against this, which is a good thing, but I haven't seen where any agents have yet been prosecuted.
Alabama prosecuted this guy for sending a guy to visit Tyrone Prothro in the hospital.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:13 am to Mohican
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I know many states have also enacted laws against this, which is a good thing, but I haven't seen where any agents have yet been prosecuted.
The State of Alabama has prosecuted at least eight according to al.com.
The story mentions that the Prothro guy plead to a misdemeanor. What it doesn't say is that he later failed to show up for court and got arrested again in 2011. I don't know if that situation's been resolved yet or not.
It is a good start, but something needs to happen to the kids. I don't know why it isn't possible to at least include a clause in the scholarship agreement that makes the player responsible for the cost of the scholarship if they're found to have accepted impermissible benefits.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:14 am to LSU GrandDad
that is a good thought, mr arute
i would add that, these players that TAKE the money, are still guilty of the violation. so, any player that goes to the nfl and is later found to have cheated in college, losses half his salary for the first three years. any time that aanyone gives money to a college athlete, illegally, that is a two party transaction. to date, if the kid has moved on to the nfl, there are no consequences for his cheating
i would add that, these players that TAKE the money, are still guilty of the violation. so, any player that goes to the nfl and is later found to have cheated in college, losses half his salary for the first three years. any time that aanyone gives money to a college athlete, illegally, that is a two party transaction. to date, if the kid has moved on to the nfl, there are no consequences for his cheating
Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:20 am to PurpleandGold Motown
quote:You'll probably get rid of every single agent then.
For one year, the NCAA agrees not to sanction any player that had previous or current contact with an agent as long as they come forward and name names.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:37 am to Porter Osborne Jr
jack knows shite
Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:38 am to sbrian3915
quote:
That's really the only thing that can curtail this. The problem is that the NFL usually leaves agent oversight to the NFLPA, and what incentive does the NFLPA have to stop this. if the NFL moved in to regukate agents more fiercely, then they could spark yet another war between themselves and the players.
This is no doubt true. And, hell, very likely a majority of the NFLPA I'm guessing benefited from these agents' bribes.
But the incentive would have to be the league management, the commish, etc. realizing the amazing system they have via college football functioning as a free talent search/development service and the risk of losing that. Academia is very powerful and a movement to change the system could come into play the more these scandals are brought to light.
Then, convincing the players how it is beneficial to the league as a whole.
I would add also add that the players are benefiting from this system much more than the agents who are throwing them $500-$1000 here and there.
Just think, these players are benefiting from the popularity of college football... not the NFL. The huge following college football has thanks to alumni-bases and local fan support and how that translates to being on national TV every Saturday is a great system for them to showcase their talents.
Not only that, they get the opportunity to get a degree or at least approach a degree in case football doesn't work out or in case they want to take another path in their careers once football is over.
Would be a tough sell, but it should be sold as whats best for the sport as a whole.
This post was edited on 9/13/13 at 10:20 am
Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:40 am to Mohican
I never understood why they (the NCAA) don't just have an agent contact period with the students. Any contact at all outside of this period results in an automatic suspension of half a season. I like the NFL getting involved too, but the NCAA should facilitate the athletes getting legitimate information and make hell to pay for illegal contact, no?
The easiest way to get to shadowy figures is to shine a great big light on it. The NCAA should sanction a contact period. Meticulous records have to be kept. Any contact outside of that period is verboten.
The easiest way to get to shadowy figures is to shine a great big light on it. The NCAA should sanction a contact period. Meticulous records have to be kept. Any contact outside of that period is verboten.
This post was edited on 9/13/13 at 9:43 am
Posted on 9/13/13 at 9:49 am to JustGetItRight
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The State of Alabama has prosecuted at least eight according to al.com.
Good to hear. Unfortunately these agents most likely have the money and resources to wiggle out of prosecution or get much more than a slap on the wrist. Probably not enough to dissuade them.
But if the NFL gets on board as well as state legislatures with stiff penalties it would go a long ways I think.
Of course, the other option is just ignoring it completely. I don't think anyone wants it to turn into the Wild Wild West however. It would be out of control.
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I never understood why they (the NCAA) don't just have an agent contact period with the students.
Another good thought.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:01 am to Mohican
Excellent post
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:13 am to LSU1NSEC
My point exactly. The Screen Actors Guild and other unions sanction the agents in show biz. It is the same dynamic as for the NFL, in that they have the power to say who and who cannot be an agent. It is a private association and they have the right to determine who can function as agents.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:18 am to thatguy1892
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:42 am to crawdaddy52
With so many agents members of the bar, I'm not clear on just what standing the NFL or NCAA has to deny an individual the right to legal counsel.
Posted on 9/13/13 at 10:48 am to Mohican
Ah, our old buddy, Jack Arute!
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