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re: Team name/mascot origins.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 3:02 pm to viceman
Posted on 8/27/17 at 3:02 pm to viceman
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The name fighting tigers comes from a group of confederate soldiers, and of course PETA is always mad about live mascots
I'm well aware of the origin of "Tigers" in regards to LSU's nicknames. But our mascot and branding is based on the actual animal and not a civil war regiment. People that want LSU to change the name because of it's historical significance are going to be very disappointed.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 3:18 pm to TOFTR
you guys still do act like rebels... time to go live up to your name and form your own conference and recruiting rules
Posted on 8/27/17 at 3:23 pm to LSU82BILL
If you're named after a Confederate regiment, your branding featuring that name is rooted in the Confederacy, even if it's not as apparent as Ole Miss. And in battles where raging liberals and white supremacists are the ones shrieking the loudest by far, society as a whole tends not to side with white supremacists. I think it'd be ridiculous if either school were forced to change (Ole Miss will almost certainly be forced to change eventually), but if fricktards keep murdering people over statues, modern ties to the Confederacy, even loose ones, will be called into question
This post was edited on 8/27/17 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 8/27/17 at 3:27 pm to TOFTR
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Neither is Ole Miss' branding, especially in the year 2017. Surely you remember making fun of the Rebel Black Bears... What makes LSU's homage to the Fighting Tigers so different from Ole Miss' homage to the University Greys, other than the Greys were made up of Ole Miss students and the Tigers were a general Louisiana regiment? Both team names absolutely have Confederate roots
What makes LSU different? Well how about the fact that despite changing your mascot, you teams have retained the nickname Rebels? Your school colors sill reflect the colors of the Confederate Flag that served as part of your branding. What about this little organization that refuses to accept the change that was forced upon them?
Colonel Reb Foundation
There's a difference between adopting a nickname that a Civil War regiment also had and adopting a nickname that embodies the entire ideology that it was preferable to secede from your nation and kill other human beings to preserve one's right to own and torture other human beings.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 3:49 pm to LSU82BILL
We literally have Confederate dead buried on campus and are named after a group of students from the University... Remind me again what natural ties the Fighting Tigers have to Louisiana State University other than being a regiment from Louisiana that embodied the ideology that it was preferable to secede from your nation and kill other human beings to preserve one's right to own and torture other human beings. Just because y'all want to have a live tiger on campus doesn't mean the history of the name is somehow less problematic than Ole Miss'
And Ole Miss' colors are Harvard Red and Yale Blue, but we all know about how those schools seceded from the northeast to fight with the Rebs
And Ole Miss' colors are Harvard Red and Yale Blue, but we all know about how those schools seceded from the northeast to fight with the Rebs
Posted on 8/27/17 at 3:56 pm to LakeViewLSU
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Team name/mascot origins.
SEC had 3 water related teams back in the day
Crimson Tide = Alabama
Flood = Ole Miss
Green Wave = Tulane
Only the folks in Oxford went away from the water mascot for the Rebs and if memory serves it was modeled after a black man who was loved by the campus community. One would wonder if they had made the mascot black if they would have switched it to the black bears (of Louisiana).
Posted on 8/27/17 at 3:58 pm to Cheese Grits
Blind Jim Ivey, yup. And fwiw, I hope we go back to the Flood if/when we're forced to make a change
Posted on 8/27/17 at 4:31 pm to TOFTR
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Just because y'all want to have a live tiger on campus doesn't mean the history of the name is somehow less problematic than Ole Miss'
So then tell me why nobody has seriously broached the subject of changing LSU's nickname while Ole Miss did so long before this current tidal wave of sentiment to eradicate any tribute to the Conferacy occurred.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 4:47 pm to LSU82BILL
Because it wasn't a national issue until someone got publicly murdered over the Lost Cause monuments. I completely disagree with it, but people are trying to eradicate anything with a problematic history these days, especially if that history involves slavery or the Confederacy. Ole Miss and LSU both have names whose histories involve the Confederacy. It's not a massive leap in logic to think that a state who's trying to erase PGT Beauregard from public view would eventually examine how its primary public university has an athletic program named after a Confederate regiment, especially after the pitchforks and torches come for Ole Miss. Plus, I distinctly remember a number of NOLA.com articles that mention the origins of the Tigers nickname in both positive and negative lights once the city decided to do away with Lee Circle, Beauregard monuments, etc. I'm absolutely not saying there should be a change, but I also don't think it's too absurd a thought that a team name with Confederate origins can come under fire
Posted on 8/27/17 at 5:01 pm to TOFTR
Well, we have a dorm named after Beauregard and another named after Kirby Smith. KS will be demo'ds soon. Maybe they rename Beauregard. But there is no way that we lose our nickname.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 5:05 pm to LSU82BILL
I hope not, but I think it depends on how slippery the current slope gets. If it gets to a point where Washington and Jefferson aren't safe, I'm not sure how Tigers, and certainly Rebels, would be
Posted on 8/27/17 at 5:14 pm to LSU82BILL
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There's a difference between adopting a nickname that a Civil War regiment also had and adopting a nickname that embodies the entire ideology that it was preferable to secede from your nation and kill other human beings to preserve one's right to own and torture other human beings.
I don't believe both sides of my family, fought and died, for the sole purpose of slavery. Go frick yourself and go spit on someone else's ancestors. Try reading a fricking history book.
This post was edited on 8/27/17 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 8/27/17 at 5:16 pm to LakeViewLSU
James Dean used to live in Oxford so...
Posted on 8/27/17 at 6:14 pm to TOSOV
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I wonder how many of these men fought in the Civil War for the South. I'm sure their grandfathers/fathers/uncles/etc did.
Not many East, Tennesseans but likely a portion of Middle and West, Tennesseans. East, TN was one of the most solidly Union areas in the entire country North or South. UT itself was Union.
We escorted Sherman on his March. And prior to that teamed up with North Georgians and North Alabamians to burn the hell out of some bridges and fight guerrilla battles against the Rebels. Then there's all our attempts to secede from the secession.
This post was edited on 8/27/17 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 8/27/17 at 7:03 pm to FightingTigers138
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I don't believe both sides of my family, fought and died, for the sole purpose of slavery. Go frick yourself and go spit on someone else's ancestors. Try reading a fricking history book.
Well you can believe what you want. I'm not here to spit on anybody's ancestors. There's no dispute as to why 11 states whose economy depended on a plantatation system of agriculture formed their own nation after the nation they previously belonged to elected a President who ran on a platform of abolishing slavery. Stick your redneck head back in the sand. Your ancestors died fighting for their state's desire to keep slavery legal.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 7:09 pm to Cheese Grits
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Cheese Grits
Hey, I have more booger gifs, we could use some comic relief in this thread
This post was edited on 8/27/17 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 8/27/17 at 8:56 pm to LSU82BILL
What was the revolutionary war for? Read a few books dude. It helps the brain. Most families didn't own slaves. Those plantation owners couldn't fight a war by themselves. You just spew the same media shite you see everywhere. Knowledge is power. Abe didn't even enforce the emancipation proclamation in all the southern states after the war. He was afraid of more states separating. That was one aspect of the war. You sound pretty fricking retarded when you say the entire confederate army was fighting and dying to keep the black man down. There were tons of farmers that didn't use slaves. Meanwhile they were hanging black people in New York for being black. Same time period. They ran almost every black person out of New York City. There was a lot going on. The south felt like they could govern themselves. Just like the colonies had. I don't know everything that went on, but you sir, don't know jack shite. Shut the frick up.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 9:25 pm to TOFTR
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What makes LSU's homage to the Fighting Tigers so different from Ole Miss' homage to the University Greys, other than the Greys were made up of Ole Miss students and the Tigers were a general Louisiana regiment?
Because theLouisiana Tigers pre dates the Civil War:
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The official date of organization for the Washington Artillery of New Orleans is September 7, 1838. This is only because that year is the earliest documented date associated with the unit that the United States War Department would concede when it accepted the Washington Artillery into the National Guard in 1909. But research now clearly proves that an organization of this name existed prior to 1838 (at least 1819) and may actually have roots all the way back to within the first ten years the founding of New Orleans in 1718. This latter date precedes even the birth of George Washington in 1732, for which the unit is named. So obviously the unit was known prior to Washington’s life by another name or series of different names. Despite this series of name changes, a line of transition appears clear, with a continuity of personnel ever since those early years.
Here's the emblem:
Look familiar?
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This post was edited on 8/27/17 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 8/28/17 at 6:50 am to TOFTR
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I hope we go back to the Flood if/when we're forced to make a change
If so, Rebs need to go full out on the floods at The Grove ™
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