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re: So. It seems there will be a College Players Union coming into fruition
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:09 pm to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:09 pm to Crowknowsbest
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This goes way beyond football, too. If you start paying football players, you have to start paying everyone. Entire athletic programs would fold.
It really seems that they did not think this through.
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:09 pm to parkjas2001
It would still create Title IX issues and that's the real problem here.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:10 pm to TT9
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this won't stand in the courts.
It already has. That's why we're talking about it.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:10 pm to Bama Bird
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It would still create Title IX issues and that's the real problem here.
yup
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:11 pm to Alahunter
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I have found that all grant-in-aid scholarship players for the Employer's football team who have not exhausted their playing eligibility are "employees" under Section 2(3) of the Act. Thus, I direct an immediate election in this case.
Congrats, now the IRS will want the taxes on the value of the scholarships!
Probably have to pay state, city, and county taxes too!
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:13 pm to Alahunter
Relax, everyone. This means absolutely nothing, at this point. It doesn't matter one bit if someone at the National Labor Relations Board says that they can unionize. America's universities don't get one penny of federal funding from the U.S. Department of Labor. They do, however, receive massive amounts of funds from the U.S. Department of Education, and as far as the USDOE is concerned, football players always have been and forever more will be students, not employees.
Federal agencies are extremely protective of their own turf, and college athletics is most definitely the turf of the DOE, not the DOL.
Federal agencies are extremely protective of their own turf, and college athletics is most definitely the turf of the DOE, not the DOL.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:14 pm to Cheese Grits
welp, thats it. college football is no more.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:14 pm to BamaGradinTn
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They do, however, receive massive amounts of funds from the U.S. Department of Education, and as far as the USDOE is concerned, football players always have been and forever more will be students, not employees.
NW is a private school.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:16 pm to parkjas2001
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parkjas2001
So. It seems there will be a College Players Union coming into fruition
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They do, however, receive massive amounts of funds from the U.S. Department of Education, and as far as the USDOE is concerned, football players always have been and forever more will be students, not employees.
NW is a private school.
NW is a private school that receives massive amounts of federal funding in the form of federally funded student financial aid and other grants.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:17 pm to Bama Bird
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Besides, Northwestern President announced he'll drop the football program if they unionize.
Wow.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:19 pm to Master of Sinanju
It would send a strong message... one that desperately needs to be sent.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:21 pm to Crowknowsbest
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If they succeed, their university will have to drop football,
No they will not have to drop football.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:22 pm to AU34
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Benefits aren't taxable.
They are so.
IRS puts a "fair value" and you pay taxes. Even if they try the gift route, only the first 14K or so is exempt from the IRS. Pretty sure the states start the taxes on the first dollar of value.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:24 pm to Bama Bird
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It would still create Title IX issues
Which is why Title IX needs to be changed. If you sport does not profit, then you just get the scholarship. If your sport makes a profit, and in turns pays other sports, then you deserve some of that money earned.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:25 pm to Alahunter
This is just one step in looooong process that may or not end with a player's union. However, if it does THIS will happen:
In the end, I think public schools would simply drop football and other D1 sports. All NCAA sports would die a slow death until most ceased to exist and everything remaining became a club sport.
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Last week, Northwestern University's president emeritus said that if the football players were successful forming a union, he could see the prestigious private institution giving up Division I football.
"If we got into collective bargaining situations, I would not take for granted that the Northwesterns of the world would continue to play Division I sports," Henry Bienen said at the annual conference for the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics. He further said that if the players won their fight, private institutions with high academic standards -- he specifically cited Duke and Stanford -- could abandon the current model in order to preserve academic integrity.
He compared it to the pullback of the Ivy League schools decades ago, when the Ivy League conference decided to opt out of postseason play and to end athletic scholarships, preserving the emphasis on academics for the players.
"In the 1950s, the 'Ivies' had some of the highest-ranked football teams in the country. The Princeton teams were ranked in the top 5 or 10 at that time. They continue periodically to have ranked basketball teams, but they've given up a certain kind of model of sports," he said, adding that "under certain conditions" the same could happen at other private elite universities that "continue to play big time sports."
In the end, I think public schools would simply drop football and other D1 sports. All NCAA sports would die a slow death until most ceased to exist and everything remaining became a club sport.
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:26 pm to Alahunter
Buncha damn Yankees ruining football. Again.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:27 pm to botwagon
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So far this is only for Private Schools. State Schools aren't in this ruling.
Vanderbilt is a private school. It would effect the SEC.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:29 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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No they will not have to drop football.
Northwestern isn't a program that would be willing to or could afford to pay their players beyond the cost of tuition. Their president has made this pretty clear.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:29 pm to Bama Bird
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Northwestern President announced he'll drop the football program if they unionize.
Folks forget the University of Chicago once had the best football team in the B1G - Alonzo Stagg coached there and the Chicago Bears copied their logo - but the president shut it down. Opened up schools like Ohio State to prosper in the B1G in their absence.
Since the B1G schools only get a nickel or dime relative to the dollar or 2 of research money, I can see the bottom schools or the lesser private schools (Notre Dame / Stanford types excepted) closing the doors.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 3:30 pm to Prof
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All NCAA sports would die a slow death until most ceased to exist and everything remaining became a club sport.
I think they should have clubs similar to the minor league in baseball, but for football. That way a high school kid has the option to go the minor league route, or the college route. This would solve the problem, no?
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