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re: Sickel cell trait and sports: Is the NCAA a Hematologist?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:59 pm to Mizz-SEC
Posted on 2/21/14 at 3:59 pm to Mizz-SEC
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If they really gave a shite about players dying they wouldn't let them play, period.
I don't agree with that.
I don't believe the President of the American Society of Hematology was making that argument either.
They should be able to play.
They just need to be adequately conditioned before stepping on the field of play.
But changing up conditioning and practice doesn't get you 10 seconds to sub in defensive players.
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:00 pm to Killean
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Sickel cell trait and sports: Is the NCAA a Hematologist? 5 deaths in practice.. none in games.. yet. Of course teams have more than 5 times the amount of practices as they do games right? but that's probably a coincidence?
Are you alluding to the notion that we should limit practices in either time or intensity, since far more time is spent during practice and far more exhaustion occurs, then in games?
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:02 pm to Aman
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Why do Auburn fans have this us against the world mentality? It is pathetic the number of posts they start about the same damn thing every day. We get that you hate Saban and BB and want nothing but bad things to happen to them and their families.
Sometimes we just like to hammer home the point that many gumps are really dumb SOBs.
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:30 pm to Mizz-SEC
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So much for the player safety angle.
If they really gave a shite about players dying they wouldn't let them play, period.
Instead they get them to sign a waiver to CYA
Exactly. If there is a way to test for it, then this is what the NCAA needs to do and they need to not allow these kids to play, unless they sign a liability waiver knowing full well the risks that they take due to having this trait/condition.
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 2/21/14 at 5:15 pm to BrerTiger
Another esteemed and no doubt scientific opinion:
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Doesn't seem like getting them off of the field is going to prevent something like this happening again. Seems like a sickle-cell RB would be at risk if he broke a 90 yard run. Does he want them to stop as soon as they get winded instead?
I'm all about safety, but I don't buy his reasoning at all. I think this whole mess is making us look like pussies.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 5:54 pm to Killean
quote:I know it's a huge feat, but you may be the most bitter fan, OF ANY FANBASE, towards Auburn. You loathe them and Gus Malzahn in every way imaginable. I really can't fathom you being able to sleep at night with the constant attention you send their way negatively.
It's amazing though how far things have fallen for Auburn fans... from the cusp of another eventually vacated national title to the depths of having everything they need to be competitive discarded like the useless trash it is..
Meanwhile, you, as an Arkansas fan, are stuck with Bret Bielema...a fat frick that has yet to win an SEC game yet. The same Bret Bielema that couldn't even win the big game at Wisconsin (3 Rose Bowl losses - LOL). The same Bret Bielema that will fall out due to a stroke or heart attack before a player is killed by the HUNH offense. The same Bret Bielema that can't control his mouth regarding something he is completely talking out of his arse about.
The arse whipping Auburn hands Arkansas this year will be a pleasure to watch.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 5:55 pm to BrerTiger
quote:Personally, I think you should join the fanbase.
I likes Auburn, brah.
We have had some terrible ones come through due to recent success.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 6:03 pm to BrerTiger
quote:what im taking away from this is that you want black defensive players to die of sickle cell. thats pretty racist
BrerTiger
Posted on 2/21/14 at 6:04 pm to rmnldr
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The trait isn't the disease itself. Sickle cell anemia is the deadly disease. I'm a white guy with SCT and it hasn't hindered me at all in my life but the report about basic training deaths is scary.
Ok. Im ignorant on this topic. So its possible then for all people to have this genetic issue?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 6:17 pm to Pavoloco83
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So its possible then for all people to have this genetic issue?
Yep.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 6:19 pm to narddogg81
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what im taking away from this is that you want black defensive players to die of sickle cell. thats pretty racist
Posted on 2/21/14 at 7:14 pm to rmnldr
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The trait isn't the disease itself. Sickle cell anemia is the deadly disease. I'm a white guy with SCT and it hasn't hindered me at all in my life but the report about basic training deaths is scary.
UK's Willie Caulie-Stein has the sickle cell trait (like you said, not the full disease). They monitor him pretty closely with heart monitors and such. He came out and talked about it a bit about how it effects him at times. I guess it effects everyone differently.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 7:20 pm to narddogg81
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what im taking away from this is that you want black defensive players to die of sickle cell. thats pretty racist
I can't take it anymore. oh my god
Posted on 2/21/14 at 7:21 pm to narddogg81
tarddogg at it again.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 7:32 pm to Killean
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5 deaths in practice.. none in games.. yet.
Of course teams have more than 5 times the amount of practices as they do games right?
but that's probably a coincidence?
Since it's happening in practice, why implement new rules for practices? Hell, get rid of practices. Why jump from practices to fricking with games, which are usually easier on players conditioning-wise, even with HUNH.
Stop being a dumbass.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 8:13 pm to WDE24
As a medical student, this is the worst thread I've ever read on the rant. That's saying something.
Just because you have you have the Sickle Cell trait does not mean you're going to collapse during your first set of drills. In fact it honestly can be very harmless (meaning the signing away your obligation to inform your school is justified). As long as the player is informed of the risks, and rigorously so, they should choose whether or not they should play.
Also no one is making any argument about limiting practices, reducing the amount of practices, or doing anything associated with practices. So shut the frick up.
Essentially with SCT, when your body exercises and uses up oxygen, the formation of your red blood cells change, forming the distinct "sickle" that coined the name. However, this happens at VASTLY different rates per person, and even when it does happen, nothing is guaranteed to happen to your heart. Clots can form more easily, risk of heart attack increase, etc.
Also something about anemia since people are confused. Anemia just refers to a decrease in red blood cells related to the norm. This can be due to a large number of factors. Sickle Cell Anemia is the "disease" associated with the sickle cell trait. Because the "sickle" shaped red blood cells form under anaerobic conditions, they can form clots in the small vessels in your body. That's essentially it.
Just because you have you have the Sickle Cell trait does not mean you're going to collapse during your first set of drills. In fact it honestly can be very harmless (meaning the signing away your obligation to inform your school is justified). As long as the player is informed of the risks, and rigorously so, they should choose whether or not they should play.
Also no one is making any argument about limiting practices, reducing the amount of practices, or doing anything associated with practices. So shut the frick up.
Essentially with SCT, when your body exercises and uses up oxygen, the formation of your red blood cells change, forming the distinct "sickle" that coined the name. However, this happens at VASTLY different rates per person, and even when it does happen, nothing is guaranteed to happen to your heart. Clots can form more easily, risk of heart attack increase, etc.
Also something about anemia since people are confused. Anemia just refers to a decrease in red blood cells related to the norm. This can be due to a large number of factors. Sickle Cell Anemia is the "disease" associated with the sickle cell trait. Because the "sickle" shaped red blood cells form under anaerobic conditions, they can form clots in the small vessels in your body. That's essentially it.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 8:25 pm to Kcoyote
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As a medical student
My question is, is there a test you can take to see if they have the trait/condition? If so, my assumption would be that the NCAA would rather they not play football, if it's that serious, and if they want to play, they sign a liability waiver that they are fully aware of the risks involved.
I just don't see why you'd change the rules of the game because a small minority of people may, not certainly have, but may have a certain condition. You find out if they have it and let them know, and let them make the decision.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 8:30 pm to kage
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My question is, is there a test you can take to see if they have the trait/condition?
Yes. Know how I know you didn't read the OP at all?
From the OP:
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the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) began, in 2010, the practice of screening all Division I athletes for SCT. In 2012, the policy was extended to include Division II athletes, and in 2013 Division III athletes were also included. Now, to participate in NCAA sanctioned athletics, a student must have a sickle cell test and report the results to his or her coach and trainer, or he or she can decline the test and sign a legal document that releases his or her respective university from liability.
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my assumption would be that the NCAA would rather they not play football
That would be an incorrect assumption.
No one from the NCAA is saying they shouldn't play. Neither are the folks from the American Society of Hematology.
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and if they want to play, they sign a liability waiver that they are fully aware of the risks involved.
NCAA already requires this.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 9:56 pm to BrerTiger
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My question is, is there a test you can take to see if they have the trait/condition?
Yes. Know how I know you didn't read the OP at all?
From the OP:
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the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) began, in 2010, the practice of screening all Division I athletes for SCT. In 2012, the policy was extended to include Division II athletes, and in 2013 Division III athletes were also included. Now, to participate in NCAA sanctioned athletics, a student must have a sickle cell test and report the results to his or her coach and trainer, or he or she can decline the test and sign a legal document that releases his or her respective university from liability.
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my assumption would be that the NCAA would rather they not play football
That would be an incorrect assumption.
No one from the NCAA is saying they shouldn't play. Neither are the folks from the American Society of Hematology.
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and if they want to play, they sign a liability waiver that they are fully aware of the risks involved.
NCAA already requires this.
Well there you go.
And yeah, I didn't read the OP. After a 50 hour work week of reading on the computer all day, I ain't reading shite for a while after I'm done on Friday afternoon.
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 2/21/14 at 10:40 pm to Kcoyote
Student of medicine now means you are the message board authority on Sickel Cell...
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