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Posted on 1/30/13 at 3:53 pm to NATidefan
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The whole thing is a bunch of hogwash bologna. From top to bottom, but it's funny as hell.
It's a diversion from the shitty threads & topics that have been on here since Teo fizzled out.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 3:53 pm to SDVTiger
Funny how the thread starter put STEROIDS in the title now. 
Posted on 1/30/13 at 3:53 pm to RT1941
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Teo fizzled out.
Someone please let ESPN know this
Posted on 1/30/13 at 3:57 pm to USMC Gators
quote:Gets more impact that way. Kinda like the SWAT guys using big names like Ray Lewis, BCSNC player using their products gets more exposure & shock value to their snake oil.
Funny how the thread starter put STEROIDS in the title now.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:04 pm to Kit De Luca
Look how fricking jacked Key is in this pic... dude looks fricking ripped! The deer piss must really work.
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:09 pm to GambitAUfan
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GambitAUfan
Hate to bust your bubble, but this too was also in the story:
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However, a professor at Johns Hopkins University told the Baltimore Sun that, despite SWATS' claims, there isn't an acceptable scientific way that IGF-1 can be effectively delivered orally.
"If there were, a lot of people would be happy that they don't need to get shots anymore," Dr. Roberto Salvatori told the newspaper. "It's just simply not possible for it to come from a spray."
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:12 pm to Gus Fring
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They admitted LSU players were on it when y'all played us at BDS earlier in the year.
We played at BDS in 2012? Really?
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:18 pm to Wolfhound45
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We played at BDS in 2012? Really?
This happened in 2011-12. That's why this story is so laughable. Nothing can be proven or traced.
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:22 pm to RT1941
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Funny how the thread starter put STEROIDS in the title now.
quote:Also funny how all threads that imply Auburn and LSU also are implicated in this are locked or deleted. Only the thread with Alabama in the title is allowed to stay.
Gets more impact that way. Kinda like the SWAT guys using big names like Ray Lewis, BCSNC player using their products gets more exposure & shock value to their snake oil.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:25 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:No, the 2011 season.
We played at BDS in 2012? Really?
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Christopher Key, a salesman for the company that allegedly sold deer antler spray to Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis, said he sold the spray to Alabama and LSU football players during the 2011 college football season and has also helped players at Auburn university with "new age" supplements.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:26 pm to jatebe
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has also helped players at Auburn university with "new age" supplements.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:29 pm to BAMAisDIESEL09
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dude looks fricking ripped! The deer piss must really work.
You think with boobs like that he sit him home and play with them all day.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:32 pm to RollTide1987
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This happened in 2011-12. That's why this story is so laughable. Nothing can be proven or traced.
I could care less. 21-0 is still 21-0. No amount of deer antlers is ever going to take that off of me.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:33 pm to RollTide1987
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RollTide1987
I hate to really bust your bubble but Harvard told its athletes otherwise 2011 LINK:
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Harvard athletes were recently warned not to take a supplement called Antler Velvet Max in an email from Brant D. Berkstresser, Harvard’s head athletic trainer and the assistant athletic director for sports medicine....
Berkstresser wrote that the supplement has been credited with increasing testosterone above normal levels, resulting in failed drug tests for collegiate and professional athletes.
Honestly as I said before, I don't really care but will continue to play along with upset bama fans if you guys want me too.
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Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:44 pm to GambitAUfan
Well…I'll take the opinion of a professor who teaches at the leading medical university in the world over some second rate athletic trainer who coaches at Harvard.
And this little tidbit right here:
That tidbit doesn't mean shite because none of these alleged Alabama players failed their drug tests, either before or after the game.
So sorry.
And this little tidbit right here:
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Berkstresser wrote that the supplement has been credited with increasing testosterone above normal levels, resulting in failed drug tests for collegiate and professional athletes.
That tidbit doesn't mean shite because none of these alleged Alabama players failed their drug tests, either before or after the game.
So sorry.
This post was edited on 1/30/13 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:45 pm to GambitAUfan
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Honestly as I said before, I don't really care but will continue to play along with upset bama fans if you guys want me too.
So, you are admitting to trolling?
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:45 pm to SDVTiger
This is akin to giving a straight A student a pet rock and claiming the reason he made straight A's the following semester was because of that pet rock.
Snake oil shister.
Snake oil shister.
Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:57 pm to GambitAUfan
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GambitAUfan
LOL
no.
The IGF-1 cant even transfer to the user through the mouth. If those athletes were failing drug tests it was from other sources of HGH or actual IGF injections.
Additionally, pretty sure the only way to test for IGF is through blood, which the NCAA and NFL don't do normally
Posted on 1/30/13 at 5:18 pm to FlukerFlakes
Ok...
You can take PE steroids and still pass drug tests. This has been documented over and over again.
This is the SEC Rant right? How many times did you post in the ATPB?
I'm not a biochemist but others believe it can. You can write the author of the article and debate their research. Here is some info I found:
Can IGF-1 be taken orally?
The surprising answer is: "Yes, it can." After digging through the archives of various pharmacological journals I eventually came up with a 14-year-old study by Kimura et al. (Kimura. 1997), who, in 1997, investigated the bioavailability of orally administered recombinant human insulin-like growth factor I (rhIGF-1) [the attribute "recombinant" indicates that this is synthetic human IGF-1] in adult rats (I deliberately underlined the "adult", here because in various neonatal or new-born / very young mammals the intestinal permeability is elevated to allow for the absorption of larger peptides from the mother's milk). The results of this study (cf. figure 1), I must admit, did really surprise me. If you add up (note: if you think I miscalculated, you probably just added up the percentages from figure 1 and forgot that when you absorb 35% there is obviously less IGF-1 left, of which, in a second step. another 17% will be absorbed, etc.) the amounts of IGF-1 that reached circulation (i.e. became "bioavailable") via the three different parts of the digestive tracts of the rats, the critters ended up with roughly 50% of the orally administered radio-labeled 125I-rhIGF1 actually getting into their blood stream:
Figure 1: Bioavailability of orally administered rhIGF-1 with and without peptidase inhibitors.
(data adapted from Kimura. 1997)
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RollTide1987
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That tidbit doesn't mean shite because none of these alleged Alabama players failed their drug tests, either before or after the game
You can take PE steroids and still pass drug tests. This has been documented over and over again.
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TreyAnastasio
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So, you are admitting to trolling?
This is the SEC Rant right? How many times did you post in the ATPB?
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FlukerFlakes
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LOL no. The IGF-1 cant even transfer to the user through the mouth.
I'm not a biochemist but others believe it can. You can write the author of the article and debate their research. Here is some info I found:
Can IGF-1 be taken orally?
The surprising answer is: "Yes, it can." After digging through the archives of various pharmacological journals I eventually came up with a 14-year-old study by Kimura et al. (Kimura. 1997), who, in 1997, investigated the bioavailability of orally administered recombinant human insulin-like growth factor I (rhIGF-1) [the attribute "recombinant" indicates that this is synthetic human IGF-1] in adult rats (I deliberately underlined the "adult", here because in various neonatal or new-born / very young mammals the intestinal permeability is elevated to allow for the absorption of larger peptides from the mother's milk). The results of this study (cf. figure 1), I must admit, did really surprise me. If you add up (note: if you think I miscalculated, you probably just added up the percentages from figure 1 and forgot that when you absorb 35% there is obviously less IGF-1 left, of which, in a second step. another 17% will be absorbed, etc.) the amounts of IGF-1 that reached circulation (i.e. became "bioavailable") via the three different parts of the digestive tracts of the rats, the critters ended up with roughly 50% of the orally administered radio-labeled 125I-rhIGF1 actually getting into their blood stream:
Figure 1: Bioavailability of orally administered rhIGF-1 with and without peptidase inhibitors.
(data adapted from Kimura. 1997)
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