re: Should division record be the only record that matters?

It is an interesting concept. I see the benefits both ways. Clearly a team playing Vandy and UK from the west has an advantage over a team playing UG and UF historically.

I could live with no divisions all 14 teams rotate and the two best teams play in Atlanta. I know a stupid rule prohibits this. Apparently this isn't a problem in basketball.

Bottom line is that it will never be completely "fair".

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You know who was the other school ive seen in this thread agree with it? Bama

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Yeah, I'm talking about coaches and ADs, not message board users.

I agree that by using the term east champion and west champion the current system is contradicting.

The sec west should have no bearing on who the sec east champ is and vice versa. Now if you want to take the top 2 overall records in the sec and have them play an sec championship game that makes sense for including all games.

NCAA D1/Conference/division
-these are three things you can be champion of. It should only trickle up not down. How does losing an out of conference game affect being a conference champ? It doesn't... Why would would losing and out of division game effect being a division champ?

Before people say "well the division is in the conference," well the conference is in the NCAA so that's not logical in my opinion.

After all my babbling, obviously total conference record makes sense in determining a champion, but not if you are split into divisions. Overall conference record makes sense in determining your national title hopes just like total overall record (including OOC games) does.

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uh...Auburns won the SEC (2x), been to the NCC (2x), and won it (1x), since the last time UGA won the SEC...

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And how does that have any bearing on how good they'll be this season?

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uh...Auburns won the SEC (2x), been to the NCC (2x), and won it (1x), since the last time UGA won the SEC...
And how does that have any bearing on how good they'll be this season?

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I literally laughed at this mess to. They're still picking AU defenders out of Nick Chubbs face mask. AU's gotta close quite a gap if they've got to beat UGA (twice) to get to the F4.

Do you think it's wise to bring up games from last year?

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If division record should be the only record that matters, what would be the point of playing cross-division conference games? You might as well get rid of TSIO and DSOR because those games wouldn't mean anything.

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If conference records are all that matters towards conference championship what's the point of playing out of conference games? It's for national standing and entertainment. Just like cross divisional games would be. Just don't see how your record against different east teams than your western counterparts has on if you are the champion of the west, and vice versa .

I don't mind the system I am just for the argument that only divisional games counting makes sense.

I agree with this point. Subdividing the conference into divisions satisfies the NCAA criteria for holding a championship game. That's the only functional benefit I see for having divisions. As it stands now, the existence of divisions constrains and aggravates scheduling, especially when it comes to preserving traditional rivalries and grow the membership.

So, when weighing the pros and cons of making division records trumping conference records, if you view divisions as a required evil and a PITA instead of a natural and helpful tool, then it should become clear that conference records must take precedent over all other factors.



** Clarification about divisions being useless: They're useless in the SEC because the conference already has existing rivalries. Newer conferences, or transient-heavy leagues might could be well served by divisions because they wouldn't get in the way of existing traditions (because, by-definition, there aren't any).

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SC in '11.

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It's OK, man. You didn't want any part of LSU that year. Trust me.

Georgia has benefited the past couple times they got into the SEC CG from having the weaker cross-division draw that year than who they were competing with for the spot in Atlanta.

2011 & 2012 they lost to USC (hammered in 2012) and went on to win the east because this:

2011 - Ole Miss (W), MSU (W), Auburn (W)
2012 - Ole Miss (W), Auburn (W)

while USC played
2011 - Auburn (L), MSU (W), Arky (L)
2012 - LSU (L), Arky (W)

Now is not the time to be talking about unfair. Georgia got the biggest break in the east the past few years by how their west rotation got reset. And they got to Atlanta twice during that period.