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re: SEC West teams will now have to beat Shorty twice...
Posted on 12/15/13 at 11:17 pm to Duzz
Posted on 12/15/13 at 11:17 pm to Duzz
Best part about this is that the first team to get scorned will be a one loss LSU or Auburn that didnt win their conference with Bama having won it. 
Bama has been changing the way this shite works forever. DWI
Bama has been changing the way this shite works forever. DWI
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Posted on 12/15/13 at 11:28 pm to tt54l32v
good luck, at the present rate we'll see the following teams make it roughly:
Auburn - two in seven years (2010, 2013)
Bama - two in seven years (2009, 2012)
Florida - one in seven years (2008)
LSU - two in seven years (2007, 2011)
Auburn - two in seven years (2010, 2013)
Bama - two in seven years (2009, 2012)
Florida - one in seven years (2008)
LSU - two in seven years (2007, 2011)
Posted on 12/15/13 at 11:39 pm to AlaTiger
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My choice would be that we only have conference
You're obviously used to hearing this, but your opinion doesn't matter.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 11:44 pm to molsusports
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Auburn - two in seven years (2010, 2013) Bama - two in seven years (2009, 2012) Florida - one in seven years (2008) LSU - two in seven years (2007, 2011)
There's a big difference between Alabama's non-SEC title years (2008-top-5 finish and BCS appearance; 2011-BCS title; 2013-probable #2 finish) and Auburn and LSU's non-BCS title years (winless SEC seasons for Auburn and consistent 3-loss seasons for LSU).
Every championship season requires some lucky bounces, but if you look at Bama compared with LSU/Auburn from 2008 onward, you'll see that Bama has had the talent every year to compete and the coaching to do so. When you're constantly in position to win it all, you will win it all from time to time.
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Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:03 am to molsusports
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probably the top four conference champs would probably be chosen by the committee so that means FSU, Auburn, Michigan State, and Baylor would be the ones and UCF and Stanford would be left out. ETA: just looked and Stanford ended the regular season ranked (in the BCS standings) ahead of Baylor so perhaps it would be: FSU, Auburn, Michigan State, and Stanford - leaving out Baylor and UCF.
Good call, I'd also put in a Stanford team that lost to Utah and USC with an interim coach along with a one loss Michigan State from the worst conference in the country over a team who's only loss came on the final play of the game against the now #2 team on the country. Good thing we don't have to worry about you being anywhere near the committee.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 3:08 am to Cali 4 LSU
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Silly us...and we thought a team that is "supposedly" in the best 4 teams in the country could/should win their own conference.
Don't get too ahead of yourself, let's just start with Division first
Funny how only Bama fans whining about not getting mulligans. If you asked the day before the game of the century (and I did to many Bama fans), not a SINGLE one of them felt a team should compete for National title when you can't even win your own Conference, let alone Division.
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Posted on 12/16/13 at 3:40 am to BamaDoc14
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Good call, I'd also put in a Stanford team that lost to Utah and USC with an interim coach along with a one loss Michigan State from the worst conference in the country over a team who's only loss came on the final play of the game against the now #2 team on the country. Good thing we don't have to worry about you being anywhere near the committee.
I'm guessing at what's going to be done by the committee based on what they have said about conference championships being valued as a criteria for entry. Thus the original quote:
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probably the top four conference champs would probably be chosen by the committee so that means FSU, Auburn, Michigan State, and Baylor would be the ones and UCF and Stanford would be left out. ETA: just looked and Stanford ended the regular season ranked (in the BCS standings) ahead of Baylor so perhaps it would be: FSU, Auburn, Michigan State, and Stanford - leaving out Baylor and UCF.
ETA: it is probably worth mentioning that Stanford and Michigan State also both have two credentials that Bama this year did not: 1) they won their conference when they badly wanted to 2) they beat top ten teams. Michigan State beat tOSU, Stanford beat Oregon (and # 14 ASU and # 17 UCLA). The best team that Alabama beat this year was a LSU team that was # 16 in the BCS final standings.
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Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:01 am to AlaTiger
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Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:11 am to molsusports
so lets say and 8-4 team surprised a 12-0 Oregon team in their conference champ. game..should this now 9-4 team go over your team rated 3 and lost to Bama who won the sec and was the only team to beat yours?
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:18 am to mrbroker
Look, you are from Alabama and do not understand this internet thing and Louisiana logic. Here's the way it works - in no scenario does Bama play for a MNC. Simple, learn it.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:20 am to Cali 4 LSU
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Silly us...and we thought a team that is "supposedly" in the best 4 teams in the country could/should win their own conference.
You know it is possible for the #1 and #3 team to be in the same conference, right?
Posted on 12/16/13 at 7:27 am to molsusports
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Good call, I'd also put in a Stanford team that lost to Utah and USC with an interim coach along with a one loss Michigan State from the worst conference in the country over a team who's only loss came on the final play of the game against the now #2 team on the country. Good thing we don't have to worry about you being anywhere near the committee.
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I'm guessing at what's going to be done by the committee based on what they have said about conference championships being valued as a criteria for entry. Thus the original quote:
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probably the top four conference champs would probably be chosen by the committee so that means FSU, Auburn, Michigan State, and Baylor would be the ones and UCF and Stanford would be left out. ETA: just looked and Stanford ended the regular season ranked (in the BCS standings) ahead of Baylor so perhaps it would be: FSU, Auburn, Michigan State, and Stanford - leaving out Baylor and UCF.
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ETA: it is probably worth mentioning that Stanford and Michigan State also both have two credentials that Bama this year did not: 1) they won their conference when they badly wanted to 2) they beat top ten teams. Michigan State beat tOSU, Stanford beat Oregon (and # 14 ASU and # 17 UCLA). The best team that Alabama beat this year was a LSU team that was # 16 in the BCS final standings.
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I noticed that Doc's post went right over your head.
You could gather 100 unbiased college football fans and I'd bet the ranch that a minimum of 80 would put Alabama in the top 4 teams (yeah, that would qualify them for the playoff). If there was a 4 team playoff this year without Alabama, the big majority would realize that a true determination of the "best team" wasn't made, and that being the case, why not just cut high card for the championship? 
Posted on 12/16/13 at 9:05 am to AdamsHouseCat
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:08 am to lsuag88
The thought that Bama only has to be considered top 4 from here on out scares the shite out of everybody who's not a Bama fan. It's hilarious. Wait until they go to an 8 team playoff.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:22 am to mrbroker
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so lets say and 8-4 team surprised a 12-0 Oregon team in their conference champ. game..should this now 9-4 team go over your team rated 3 and lost to Bama who won the sec and was the only team to beat yours?
No, they almost certainly wouldn't be one of the four highest ranked conference champs. But let's extend your hypothetical to make it relevant.
In the rare event that less than four of the conference champs from around the country have good records (have several losses etc) I expect the committee would consider an at large team for a four team field. That would be a reasonable interpretation of their verbiage with respect to conference championships will be heavily considered.
Typically there are four conference champs with 0-2 losses from the major conferences and sometimes there have been midmajors like Boise, TCU, Utah etc who should have also been considered if they were ranked high enough compared to the other conference champs.
IMO the only way to make the playoff system work in college football is to make rules that are as transparent and as fair as possible. I'm not sold on admitting the top four ranked conference champs being an absolutely perfect system but it is a more objective system than anything else I've seen proposed.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:22 am to JuiceTerry
If LSU and Auburn "eat their Wheaties" then they'll have an opportunity to play Alabama TWICE a year! 
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:23 am to AdamsHouseCat
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AdamsHouseCat
Which LSU alter are you?
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:26 am to JuiceTerry
What will probably end up happening is the committee will err on the side of conference champions with the same record as "at large" teams. So take this year for example. As it stands, the play-off would probably be FSU, AU, Bama, and Michigan State. Three conference champions plus a good looking Bama at-large.
But what if Stanford only had one loss? That would give you four conference champions with similar records. My guess is that at this point Bama gets left out in favor of a team that won their conference, and especially their championship game.
Of course, Bama does get treated differently, so they may get in over that hypothetical Stanford team anyway. But other teams would probably get left out.
But what if Stanford only had one loss? That would give you four conference champions with similar records. My guess is that at this point Bama gets left out in favor of a team that won their conference, and especially their championship game.
Of course, Bama does get treated differently, so they may get in over that hypothetical Stanford team anyway. But other teams would probably get left out.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:33 am to TigerNutwhack
If you had a 32-team playoff, somebody's gonna get left out....such is life. 
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:33 am to TigerNutwhack
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What will probably end up happening is the committee will err on the side of conference champions with the same record as "at large" teams.
It will be interesting to see how they play it out. If your hypothesis were true they would be obligated to consider teams like Baylor and UCF ahead of higher ranked conference champs like Stanford or at large teams with the same record like Bama.
But there's going to be an amazing amount of pressure put on that committee especially if they don't make more public the specific criteria by which they are going to make their decisions.
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