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Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:11 pm to
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:11 pm to
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Govt Tide


ITT, Bama fans display that they can’t comprehend the difference between Power 5 and Group of 5.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53069 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:16 pm to
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My statement was true though. FSU’s SOS sunk them.

People keep talking about “muh undefeated P5 team” as if the P5 conferences are equal or as if being P5 is somehow sacrosanct. They are not and it is not. When your SOS is closer to G5 teams than to the top contenders (as is the case with FSU versus Bama and Texas) then “muh undefeated P5 team” doesn’t carry as much weight as you folks apparently think it should.


Their quarterback getting hurt sunk them, not their schedule.

They could only play the schedule they had, which included two SEC schools.
Posted by pickledpigsfeet
Member since Mar 2021
189 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:17 pm to
We make decisions of point spreads now? Brilliant.

Bet your trailer house payment on FSU over Georgia heads up then slick!

Dumbarse!
Posted by RelentlessTide
Member since Feb 2020
3012 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:19 pm to
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ESpN’s Strength of Schedule numbers: Alabama 5 Florida State 55 ESPN’s FPI: Alabama 4 Florida State 11
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
6777 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:21 pm to
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This is really rich coming from a Bama fan. The only reason you people think y’all deserve a playoff spot is “because we’re Bama”. Get the frick out of here.


P5 is nothing. Committee never said anything anything about that. Want to look at SOS? You know, the thing that the committee said from day one they would strongly weigh? Why are you struggling so hard with this? It’s really simple.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53069 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:21 pm to
Serious question, do you think Alabama is in the playoff if Jordan Travis wasn't hurt?
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
6777 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:24 pm to
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SidewalkTiger


Quite dodging. Did the committee get it right including Alabama in the CFP?
Posted by RelentlessTide
Member since Feb 2020
3012 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:29 pm to
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Serious question, do you think Alabama is in the playoff if Jordan Travis wasn't hurt?


Don’t know. Can’t predict how FSU would have finished out their schedule.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43396 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:30 pm to
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TT, Bama fans display that they can’t comprehend the difference between Power 5 and Group of 5.


So you're saying Strength of Schedule matters?

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Top 7 Team’s Overall Opponent

Record: Alabama 97-60 (.617)
Texas 90-67 (.573)
Ohio State 82-62 (.569)
Georgia 87-69 (.557)
Michigan 83-74 (.528)
Washington 75-70 (.517)
FSU 77-79 (.493)
Posted by RelentlessTide
Member since Feb 2020
3012 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:31 pm to
Would BK be on the hot seat without Jayden?
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53069 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:34 pm to
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Don’t know. Can’t predict how FSU would have finished out their schedule.




If SOS is the end all be all, then Georgia should be in the playoff.

But obviously it isn't.

Seems like there is selective criteria.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43396 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:36 pm to
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If SOS is the end all be all, then Georgia should be in the playoff.


Computers still have them at #6, and that's almost completely based on SOS.
Posted by RelentlessTide
Member since Feb 2020
3012 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:37 pm to
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then Georgia should be in the playof


Yes they should be. The selection committee did make this a bit of a mess.
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9129 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:41 pm to
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Bama fans display that they can’t comprehend the difference between Power 5 and Group of 5.


No. It's more like those white knighting for FSU either being unwilling or unable to follow a logical point. Strength of schedule and resume are important fa stated criteria the playoff committee uses to determine who the "best" teams are or who the better team is when it comes down to comparing two teams.

I specifically used #17 SMU who went 10-2 and won its conference championship with a back up quarterback and #13 LSU who went 9-3 and didn't win its conference to make a point that should be obvious.

The point being that it's absurd to rank a 10-2 SMU team ahead of a 9-3 LSU team despite having 1 more win and 1 less loss than LSU does because LSU obviously played a far more difficult schedule than SMU did and has more quality wins than SMU. The same logic to a lesser degree applies to the FSU/Bama playoff debate.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53069 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:43 pm to
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Computers still have them at #6, and that's almost completely based on SOS.






Yet still behind FSU.

There's no consistency here.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44021 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:45 pm to
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So you're saying Strength of Schedule matters?


To an extent. No nearly to the extent they’ve gone to put Bama in the playoffs over a more deserving team.

Also, stop kidding yourself. Bama didn’t get in because of their SoS. They got in because the committee didn’t want to risk fewer eyeballs because Jordan Travis got hurt.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53069 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 8:52 pm to
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Also, stop kidding yourself. Bama didn’t get in because of their SoS. They got in because the committee didn’t want to risk fewer eyeballs because Jordan Travis got hurt.


I thought that was understood, guess not.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
25007 posts
Posted on 12/3/23 at 9:04 pm to
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They could only play the schedule they had


That’s true, but a meaningless statement in terms of evaluating teams. Every single team “could only play the schedule they had.” That’s fine and I guess it’s not FSU’s fault they got stuck with that ACC schedule, but you still have to evaluate the strength of those schedules. When you do you see that FSU’s is WAY behind Bama’s and Texas’’s. The committee correctly recognized “muh 13-0 P5 team” is but a meaningles soundbite when you see just how much weaker FSU’s SOS was than Bama’s and Texas’.
This post was edited on 12/3/23 at 9:07 pm
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