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re: SEC QB rankings going into 2012
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:05 pm to gatordmb89
Posted on 6/24/12 at 10:05 pm to gatordmb89
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gatordmb89
Said almost the exact same thing earlier today and had several folks jump down my throat calling me an idiot.
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Posted on 6/25/12 at 8:36 am to TT9
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If I'm not mistaken he was actually Gunna be the starter over Murray if shite didn't go down the way it did.
Nah, all the "casual" fans wanted Mett because he had a better spring game that year but they didn't realize that most of Mett's reps came against our 2nd team D. And doing well against a 2nd string defense in its' 1st year transitioning in scheme is also something to take into account.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 8:42 am to SpringBokCock
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Shaw had a lot fewer attampts as he did not become the starter until the 6th game of the season. And when ranking the QB's, you should add in the fact Shaw is a far better runner than McCarron, Bray, Wilson and Murray.
I think Shaw's running ability is also his Achilles heel. Force him to be a pocket passer a la containment or injury and his productivity goes way down.
This post was edited on 6/25/12 at 8:46 am
Posted on 6/25/12 at 9:20 am to TTsTowel
TT9a, U are not a bad arse just a fool and an arse. U are a legend in your own mine & a complete IDIOT!!! 
:rimshot: GEAUX TIFERS!
:rimshot: GEAUX TIFERS!
Posted on 6/25/12 at 9:21 am to cajunjj
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your own mine & a complete IDIOT!!!
Posted on 6/25/12 at 9:26 am to TT9
Is it that hard to type "yo" in front of "u?"
It takes less than a second and keeps YOU from looking like an ignorant redneck... other than the "own mine" thing.
It takes less than a second and keeps YOU from looking like an ignorant redneck... other than the "own mine" thing.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 9:27 am to TT9
Bray is vastly better at throwing the football than AJ. That is all. FSS can rank the QB's however they want, but at the end of the day the only two SEC QB's that we've seen play and that have a legit shot to be NFL starters are Wilson and Bray.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 9:48 am to SpringBokCock
I'm not bashing Shaw cuz I think he's a good QB but I do think AJ is slightly better. That might change when the season starts but we'll have to see. I probably shouldn't have worded it that way but I do think AJ is slightly better right now.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 9:59 am to rolltide1283
Shaw's running ability gives him an extra dimension over some of the other QBs but he's gotta go from a guy that doesn't make a lot of mistakes to a QB that picks apart the defense. Showed the ability late last year but has to do it consistently. I think McCarron is in a similar situation.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 10:12 am to dawgRUSH
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I think Shaw's running ability is also his Achilles heel. Force him to be a pocket passer a la containment or injury and his productivity goes way down.
I suppose that's a point of view. Doesn't make sense to me though. No one considered the Achilles heel of Tim Tebow or Cam Newton to be their running ability. Running ability was the x-factor that made them great quarterbacks
Shaw is a polished pocket passer. The comparison with McCarron showed it. It took a while to get Shaw to settle down and not run when the pocket collapsed, but it has happened. His productivity as a passer when way up in the last 4 games as he got more playing time (8/1 TD to INT).
Unlike Garcia, Shaw is very coachable (he is a coach's son). Where Garcia freelanced, Shaw works Spurrier's passing system. He's not quite as strong armed as Murray, but has good touch, is accurate, has a quick release, and makes good decisions (on and off the field). Not having Alshon hurts, but Shaw is much better equipped to deal with it because he spreads the ball around to the open receiver (Garcia would just chuck it to Alshon).
Posted on 6/25/12 at 3:51 pm to jt21
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Shaw's running ability gives him an extra dimension over some of the other QBs but he's gotta go from a guy that doesn't make a lot of mistakes to a QB that picks apart the defense. Showed the ability late last year but has to do it consistently. I think McCarron is in a similar situation.
I agree that both of them came on late in the season (AJ in the big game) and both need to prove they can sustain that success for the whole year.
I will also say that I think AJ would have put up alot better numbers with the talented WR's Arky has. I'm not saying that AJ is better than Wilson but I do believe he would be the #2 QB if he had a few top notch WR's to throw to.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:00 pm to 20symbolsisnotenoug
Benny the jet..nice
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:00 pm to Alahunter
We know what we have with the rest of the QB's. ZM has the greatest upside, as he is unknown sort of, and should be about where he is projected here. However, I will take him over AJ right now, no bones about it.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:09 pm to Alahunter
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3 AJ McCarron
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:17 pm to VC
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ZM has the greatest upside, as he is unknown sort of, and should be about where he is projected here
True he has potential but since he is unknown, he could also be a bust. He could just as easily be one of the worsts QBs in the league. We'll have to wait and see on that.
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I will take him over AJ right now, no bones about it.
If you'll take a guy over someone that can actually move well in the pocket and escape the pressure, so be it. From most of the experts that have seen him, they all say he has a strong arm but he doesn't move well in the pocket at all. Me personally, I'll take a guy that shredded a great D in the NCG and we'll see who comes out on top Nov 3rd.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:17 pm to SpringBokCock
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I suppose that's a point of view. Doesn't make sense to me though. No one considered the Achilles heel of Tim Tebow or Cam Newton to be their running ability. Running ability was the x-factor that made them great quarterbacks
Tebow and Cam both played in a spread style system dependent on a running QB, unlike USCe.
That being said, I don't think Shaw's running ability is a detriment at all, I just don't think you can draw a correlation to Tebow and Cam given the offensive systems they were in.
I see Murray in the same light as Shaw, pocket passer first, and as long as he goes thru his progressions first, having the ability to scramble when nothing is available only helps.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:25 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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Aaron Murray: Will break multiple UGA records. 6,200 yards 59 touchdowns. Brings the passing game to an already strong run game. (Substance/reasoning)
Has not beaten a tope 25 team. Wins count.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:50 pm to Alahunter
Actually agree with Alahunter for once..wtf is going on here?..what is this world coming to? 
Posted on 6/25/12 at 6:02 pm to dawgRUSH
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I think Shaw's running ability is also his Achilles heel. Force him to be a pocket passer a la containment or injury and his productivity goes way down.
That still remains to be seen....nothing has been shown to this point in Shaw's young career that proves this. He was pressured in certain instances - such as the Arkansas game, where our OL played possibly their worst game of the season - where he wasn't able to let the passing plays develop, and had to rush passes or tuck and run.
But considering that those things tend to happen with even the most accomplished of QBs under the same conditions, and that Shaw was starting his 4th career game, there's nothing there to form a pattern over. And he steadily improved in his passing as the season progressed, to where he was actually very effective at the end as a pocket passer.
Even his first two true starts - versus UK and @ Miss St., when he was primarily a passer, he went 46-67 (68.7%) for 466 yds, 5 TDs and 2 INTs (145.7 QB rating)....
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