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re: SEC East QB's 2014

Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:57 pm to
Posted by abellsujr
New England
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Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:57 pm to
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Well do you honestly believe he'll turn out to be good? It sure doesn't sound like it when your fans are bashing him and clamoring for a true freshman to start.
Don't know, but it's not fair to compare him to Driskel yet. Driskel has had WAY more chances to suck, and he has.
Posted by OnlyGatorsSurvive
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:59 pm to
We'll see how bad he sucks when he is finally in an offense he was recruited to be in. Probably be a nice thread to bump in some months.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42621 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:09 pm to
Right now, I'm more sold on Worley or Dobbs emerging as starters than Fergy. Ferguson has got to learn to read defenses better before he sees action - he's said to have a great arm but he made too many bad decisions in the O&W and bad decisions have plagued him throughout spring. He has a lot of Bray in him - he makes big plays but follows up with a bad decision. If he can clean that up, and there's still time for him to do it, he'll be right back in it.

Although Peterman will probably never start given the Florida debacle, he was surprisingly improved.

Posted by Mizz-SEC
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:18 pm to
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Mizzou's Maty Mauk

As a freshman, Mauk was thrown into the fire as a starting quarterback in the SEC after starter James Franklin separated his shoulder in the Georgia game. As most freshmen do, he struggled. He started against Florida, Carolina, Tenn, and UK. His completion percentages, respectively, were 50, 40, 48, and 60. As soon as Franklin was healthy enough to play, Mauk was put back on the bench. His only good stat is 11 TD's to only 2 INT's.


lulz. Mauk "struggled" to a 3-1 record as a starter, with a 15-0 4th quarter win off the bench @ Georgia to boot.

You are correct on the potential impact of the loss of Josey and Green-Beckham.
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
9121 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 5:37 pm to
Here are the statistical breakdowns, in terms of total career games played:

RS-Sr. Dylan Thompson (USC):

Gms: 25, GS: 3 (3-0)
120-218 (55.0%), 1,827 yds, 14 tds, 5 int
55 carries for 66 yds, 5 td

RS-Jr. Jeff Driskel (UF):

Gms: 20, GS: 15 (11-3)*
214-340 (62.9%), 2,271 yds, 14 tds, 10 int
151 carries for 486 yds, 5 td

Sr. Justin Worley (UT):
Gms: 17, GS: 10 (5-5)
172-306 (56.2%), 1,977 yds, 11 tds, 13 int
26 carries for 34 yds, 0 td

RS-Sr. Hutson Mason (UGA):
Gms: 13, GS: 2 (1-1)
94-157 (59.9%), 1,324 yds, 8 tds, 3 int
30 carries for -8 yds, 2 td

RS-So. Maty Mauk (MO):
Gms: 13, GS: 4 (3-1)
68-133 (51.1%), 1,071 yds, 11 tds, 2 int
41 carries for 229 yds, 1 td

RS-So. Patton Robinette (VU):
Gms: 10, GS: 3 (2-1)
46-88 (52.3%), 642 yds, 4 tds, 5 int
71 carries for 214 yds, 7 tds

RS-So. Patrick Towles (UK):
Gms: 5, GS: 0
19-40 (47.5%), 233 yds, 1 td, 1 int
11 carries for -14 yds, 0 td


* Driskel started his first game at WR versus Bowling Green in 2012


I would say that Driskel certainly has the most experience as a starter in the SEC. He has been the most efficient passer in terms of completions but his decision-making must not be the greatest with his poor TD-INT ratio. He looks to be the most dynamic rushing QB in terms of # of carries and yards, although USC's Thompson has as many rushing tds with a 3rd the attempts. Vandy's Robinette's 7 rushing tds in his limited time playing thus far is impressive...

Both Thompson and Driskel have scored as many total tds (passing+rushing) in their careers and lead the returning QBs, although Driskel has twice the INTs.

Missouri's Mauk doesn't have the best completion % as a passer - in fact most of the returning QBs in the SEC this season look to be mediocre unless they improve drastically - but his TD-INT ratio is excellent. Will that continue with all those tall WRs gone from last year??

UT's Worley has a terrible career TD-INT ratio, and is not a threat to run with the ball. This all coming during a career playing behind what was thought to be among the best OLs in the SEC the past 3 yrs, with some great WR units too. Now that the Vol OL and WR units will be overhauled with new players, will that improve?

UGA's Mason will be a 5th-yr. Senior this season, with only 2 career starts under his belt: those came in the last 2 games UGA has played.

His career has mostly been in mop-up duty for Murray after easy wins have already been sealed, and mostly against FCS and weak OOC FBS opponents. Will those final 2 games last season be preparation enough for him to go through and entire SEC season as a starter?
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
40949 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 5:45 pm to
Tennessee's WRs were overhauled last year. This year they should be very, very good. Everybody back+Malone and Pearson.
Posted by LSUNV
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/11/14 at 5:50 pm to
quote:

Vandy- Who will be your quarterback?


I know robinette was their starter last year, but I think Stephen Rivers, transfer from LSU, will make a push for the starting job. I hope he throws for 4000 yds at Vandy.
Posted by wrecking crew
Canada
Member since Apr 2014
1108 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 5:51 pm to
quote:

SEC East QB's 2014


Does not really matter who is the QB from the east cause a team from the west will win the sec
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46506 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 5:55 pm to
Dylan Thompson is the one reason I give A&M a decent chance of winning the season opener.

He just doesnt scare me at all.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63939 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 5:57 pm to
quote:

His career has mostly been in mop-up duty for Murray after easy wins have already been sealed, and mostly against FCS and weak OOC FBS opponents.


That's generally what backup qb's do.

Sort of like Thompson's games against East Carolina and UAB in 2012.

How about Thompson's mop-up duty last year vs Arky and Coastal Carolina?


You can't criticize Mason's experience in backup duty without criticizing Thompson's similar experience as a backup.



ETA- Thompson has only started 3 games. Mason has started 2.

Mason's starts were against quality teams in Tech and Nebraska. Thompson's quality starts were against Mizz and Clemson in 2012.

In other words, they have the same amount of quality starts.... two. Mason's are more recent and his stats were better.

Just sayin'...
This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 6:00 pm
Posted by ConwayGamecock
South Carolina
Member since Jan 2012
9121 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 6:59 pm to
quote:

That's generally what backup qb's do.

Sort of like Thompson's games against East Carolina and UAB in 2012.

How about Thompson's mop-up duty last year vs Arky and Coastal Carolina?


You can't criticize Mason's experience in backup duty without criticizing Thompson's similar experience as a backup.



ETA- Thompson has only started 3 games. Mason has started 2.

Mason's starts were against quality teams in Tech and Nebraska. Thompson's quality starts were against Mizz and Clemson in 2012.

In other words, they have the same amount of quality starts.... two. Mason's are more recent and his stats were better.

Just sayin'...



But it's a bit of a difference for an unproven backup QB to take the field against one of those type opponents when his team is already up by 4-5 tds and there's not a lot of time left on the clock, and the opponent is already pulling their starters as well, like most of Mason's appearances - and starting games versus ECU or coming into the UAB game when your starting QB (Shaw) is injured and can't play, and you're the only true option left at QB (Murray was chilling on the sideline and available for most of Mason's gms)...

USC was up 21-6 on UAB at the half, and Thompson took over the 2nd half. Was there a chance that UAB would come back to tie or lead the game? Not really, but USC didn't have anyone else after Dylan should he have faltered. The game wasn't over at that point however, is the point I'm trying to make: UAB wasn't pulling their starters, and they had to feel better being down by only 15 pts at the half than to be down by 30- 40 pts late in the game, like most of the opponents that Mason took the field against...

And yes Thompson has made appearances in mop-up duty himself, but he's appeared in 11 and 10 gms the past 2 seasons, not 4 and 5 like Mason has. Thompson didn't officially start versus Central Florida on their field last season, but when Shaw went out after only one series, and the team fell behind UCF 10-0 at the half, Thompson had to battle to pull the team to victory, and he did. UCF only lost to one opponent last season...

Mason made his appearances versus:

1) UL-Lafayette in a 55-7 blow-out: late in 3rd qtr. when score was 41-7;

2) Vanderbilt in a 43-0 blow-out: late in 3rd qtr. when score was 43-0;

3) Idaho State in a 55-7 blow-out: early in the 3rd qtr. when score was 38-0;

5) Coastal Carolina in a 59-0 blow-out: early in the 3rd qtr. when score was 38-0;

6) New Mexico State in a 63-16 blow-out: starts the 3rd qtr. when score is 49-3;

9) North Texas in a 45-21 decisive victory: participated but no stats recorded;

10) Appalachian State in a 45-6 blow-out: plays entire 4th qtr. when score is 31-6;

Also participated in:

4) Tough 49-31 loss to Auburn in 2010: took over final possession - handed off to RB, was sacked once for -11 yds;

7) Auburn in a 45-7 blow-out: participated but no stats recorded;

8) LSU in a 42-10 SECCG blow-out loss: came in for final possession, went 4-11 for 55 yds, 0 td 0 int

11) Kentucky in a 59-17 blow-out: comes in for injured Murray when score was 28-10, goes 13-19 for 189 yds, 1 td, 1 int;

Then the 2 starts. That makes up all of Mason's career appearances at UGA. Other than the 2 starts, nothing really substantial to show for him. Thompson as I posted above had to relieve Shaw in the UAB game, hit the winning TD vs Michigan, pull the team from a deficit at UCF, come in for (again) an injured Shaw vs UT (which we lost, but not due to Dylan), in addition to his 3 starts.

Mason's starts were against a 7-4 in-state rival GT and a 8-4 Nebraska. Thompson's starts were against a 1-0 ECU (they would go 8-4), a 10-1 and top-10 ranked in-state rival Clemson, and a 7-0 and top-5 ranked Missouri, the last two on their fields. What Mason has faced in his time at UGA can't possibly compare to what Thompson has at USC....

And it's debatable that Mason's stats for his starts are better than Thompson's: Mason threw for 619 yds in his 2 starts (309.5 ypg) which is more than Thompson's 862 in his 3 (287.3 ypg), but the difference is slight. Mason completed 57.3% compared to Thompson's 56.2% - again a slight improvement. But Dylan threw 6 tds to only 2 ints, compared to Hutson's 3 tds to 2 ints, so Dylan had the better TD-INT ratio. Points count more than yards in games. Dylan was also the better rusher, with 60 yds in 25 atts, compared to -9 yds in 20 atts for Hutson. So that's 912 total yds from scrimmage for Thompson (304 ypg) compared to 610 for Mason (305 ypg). No difference there, despite Thompson having played the far better quality opponents in his starts....

This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 7:19 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63939 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 7:13 pm to
DT certainly has more game experience, alot more than your average backup ever gets. However, masons experience is nothing to belittle. He also has more experience than the average backup. Maybe a blessing in disguise for murray to get hurt, the season was already over and he still got drafted over aj and mett, now mason has invaluable experience. If murray never got hurt this would be a very different convo.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63939 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 7:17 pm to
quote:

No difference there, despite Thompson having played the far better quality opponents in his starts....


OK now you are being a little ridiculous.


Re-do the stats without East Carolina as one of DT's starts.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30458 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 7:18 pm to
The only reason Murphy played last yr is because JD got hurt.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30458 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 7:20 pm to
.... And it won't be ATM. Congrats on living vicariously through Bama, AU, or LSU.
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 7:21 pm to
Congrats on going 3-5 in the sec this year with your manboob coach
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63939 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 7:21 pm to
quote:

The only reason Murphy played last yr is because JD got hurt.


Thanks for the Knowledge Bomb.





Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30458 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 7:23 pm to
Got me...
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 7:24 pm to
Good one.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30458 posts
Posted on 5/11/14 at 7:24 pm to
Lol you keep mentioning Murphy transferring like it makes some sort of impact on who UF plays at QB.
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