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re: Saban: CFB Playoff is why players are skipping bowl games
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:45 am to Bench McElroy
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:45 am to Bench McElroy
He was critical of the BCS as well. It did diminish the other major bowls. The playoff has only diminished them further. You couple that with 41 bowls, and this is what you have.
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:50 am to CapstoneGrad06
I am a Saban fan and he will most likely go down as the all time greatest college coach, but he is talking out of both sides of his mouth here. He was always a proponent of a "Plus One" game which is a defacto playoff.
There are too many bowl games. That everyone can agree on. A 5-7 Miss State team has no business going to a bowl.
There are too many bowl games. That everyone can agree on. A 5-7 Miss State team has no business going to a bowl.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 8:59 am to Islander
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He was always a proponent of a "Plus One" game which is a defacto playoff.
I don't recall hearing this. This sounds like the fake story floating in 2011 that he stated in 2003 that "you should win your conference to play for a national title".
Either way, he's been a consistent advocate of the older bowl system (Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance). The BCS, and now Playoff, has tremendously diminished the bowl system. I think some combination to preserve the bowls is what he would like to see. But this is mostly media driven. Not much can really be done if that's all we are talking about from the word go.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:00 am to Islander
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I am a Saban fan and he will most likely go down as the all time greatest college coach, but he is talking out of both sides of his mouth here. He was always a proponent of a "Plus One" game which is a defacto playoff.
I applaud you. However, on the meaningless bowl games, if corporations can come together and establish a bowl and schools receive money from it, then why not have them... Simply from a financial perspective the crappy bowls are a revenue source for the schools playing.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:01 am to LSU Patrick
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If you sound too critical of the midget, gumps arrive in droves.
If Saban's name appears in a thread title, butthurt jeaLSU fans ((like you) typically arrive to criticize him.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 9:03 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:03 am to CapstoneGrad06
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I don't recall hearing this. This sounds like the fake story floating in 2011 that he stated in 2003 that "you should win your conference to play for a national title".
Either way, he's been a consistent advocate of the older bowl system (Bowl Coalition and Bowl Alliance). The BCS, and now Playoff, has tremendously diminished the bowl system. I think some combination to preserve the bowls is what he would like to see. But this is mostly media driven. Not much can really be done if that's all we are talking about from the word go.
He literally said this playoff model would be best. Now he thinks it's ruining college football.
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:07 am to MightyYat
In your link though.
Is it really preserved? I think that's what he's getting at.
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On the outside looking in, I’ve always thought that having the bowl system intact as much as possible is probably healthy for college football,” Saban said.
Is it really preserved? I think that's what he's getting at.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:08 am to CapstoneGrad06
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I don't recall hearing this
Since you cannot recall:
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"In 1997, I said we should have a plus-one or a four-team playoff because most of the years there are issues, it's when there are three (qualified) teams," he said. "People can't agree on who should be 1 and 2 and should play, and who gets left out. It happened when I was at LSU in 2003 and Southern Cal got left out." Though there will be complaints from those left out, "if you look through history, you'd always get it right if you have a four-team playoff in terms of having a real good chance to get the best teams in the game," Saban said.
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:11 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Is it really preserved? I think that's what he's getting at.
Sure it is. The freaking R&L Carriers Bowl was no better during the BCS years than it is now. The only bowls it really affected is the Peach & Cotton because if moves them up in prestige every few years. I don't understand why everyone all of sudden has a problem with it now.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:11 am to Rhino5
Good for you. But is that really the point he was making? Regardless of what he has, or has not supported, I think he's consistently stated that the BCS, and now playoff, has diminished the bowl system. It seems to get worse every year.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:13 am to MightyYat
I'm talking about a reduction in bowls here too. There's too many. A 5-7 team shouldn't be rewarded. That's diminishing the system too.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:14 am to reggieray420
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It's easy to say you can't play scared when you're as fricking loaded as Saban is
Saban played in college too. Don't think he skipped a game being worried that his head would get knocked around so much that he couldn't make the millions he's made.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:18 am to CapstoneGrad06
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I'm talking about a reduction in bowls here too. There's too many. A 5-7 team shouldn't be rewarded. That's diminishing the system too.
Why? How does North Texas playing Army on 12/27 @ noon diminish anything? I don't understand the argument.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:19 am to Bench McElroy
Why did it take a playoff for the media talking heads and apparently a majority of fans to realize just about all bowl games are irrelevant? They were meaningless 10 years ago and they are meaningless now. Every single bowl game outside of the BCS Championship and now the CFP games are glorified exhibitions.
LSU might win the Citrus Bowl this year. Does anyone care? I want them to win as a fan but if they lose who gives a shite. I never understood fans being so excited that their team won their bowl game. Wow your team you root for lost 4 games this year and beat the 5th place finisher in the Coastal division of the ACC in the New Era Pinstripe Bowl! F*ck yea print the shirts! NO ONE CARES
LSU might win the Citrus Bowl this year. Does anyone care? I want them to win as a fan but if they lose who gives a shite. I never understood fans being so excited that their team won their bowl game. Wow your team you root for lost 4 games this year and beat the 5th place finisher in the Coastal division of the ACC in the New Era Pinstripe Bowl! F*ck yea print the shirts! NO ONE CARES
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:19 am to CapstoneGrad06
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Good for you. But is that really the point he was making?
Well he clearly stated he wanted a playoff.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:21 am to ArabianKnight
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Saban played in college too. Don't think he skipped a game being worried that his head would get knocked around so much that he couldn't make the millions he's made.
He played for Kent St. in the 70's and had zero shot at the NFL. Same thing though.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:24 am to MightyYat
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He literally said this playoff model would be best. Now he thinks it's ruining college football.
He favored the 4-team (plus-1) playoff we have now, with the top bowls rotationally hosting semi-final games, over the old BCS. He was/is against a playoff of more than four teams.
He didn't say the current playoff is ruining CFB. He merely said it and playoff media hype have somewhat diminished importance of other bowl games to players entering the draft, making them more inclined to consider sitting them out.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 10:41 am
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:25 am to Rhino5
I never said he didn't. But his entire point is about the bowl system. I mean, there's a quote in both links provided about "keeping the integrity" of the bowls. The BCS and playoff didn't do that in his estimation.
The goal posts seem to be moving here. But that's par for the course anytime Saban opens his mouth.
The goal posts seem to be moving here. But that's par for the course anytime Saban opens his mouth.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:25 am to TidalSurge1
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He favored the 4-team (plus-1) playoff we have now, with the top bowls rotationally hosting semi-final games, over the old BCS. He was/is against a playoff of more than four teams.
He didn't say the current playoff is ruining CFB. He merely said it has diminished importance of other bowl games.
It's talking out both sides of his mouth. The lower bowls are no more diminished today than they were 20 years ago. It's just a stupid conversation.
Posted on 12/22/16 at 9:26 am to Bench McElroy
What difference does the playoff do making other bowl less significant again? There used to be only 1 bowl game that mattered, now there's 3. Of course, talking national title. Since that's the only thing the playoff changed.
This is a dumb argument by Saban. It makes no sense. The Famous Idaho Potato bowl means the same now as it did 4 years ago. Same goes for every bowl not involved in the national championship.
This is a dumb argument by Saban. It makes no sense. The Famous Idaho Potato bowl means the same now as it did 4 years ago. Same goes for every bowl not involved in the national championship.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 9:28 am
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