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Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:19 am to RT1941
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:19 am to RT1941
I think the higher ups are trying to figure it out. It is just so complex that any answer only leads to ten more questions so it will be a few years until any real headway is made.
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:20 am to Yintros
quote:No one's buying the freaking jersey of a left-tackle. Even though his big arse was instrumental in protecting a stud QB like Manziel/Newton and boosting them in their Heisman performance season.
Obviously, in the argument of fairness, there should be a standardized level of compensation.
As for the more "important" players' compensation: let them have a share of the revenue brought in from their jersey sales. That way their "extra" compensation is directly proportionate to their performance.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:24 am to Alahunter
I think if you can generate money on the side, neither you nor your team should be penalized by the NCAA, so long as you don't go past a certain limit.
Manziel could make money on the side, as could Cam Newton, as can Jameis Winston, as could the Fab 5, et cetera. That to me is a fair resolution. But Saban is right, the Universities are putting a lot into these players, and I don't think they should be obligated to pay player stipends beyond the current amount.
Manziel could make money on the side, as could Cam Newton, as can Jameis Winston, as could the Fab 5, et cetera. That to me is a fair resolution. But Saban is right, the Universities are putting a lot into these players, and I don't think they should be obligated to pay player stipends beyond the current amount.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 9:26 am
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:26 am to RT1941
Honestly the Title IX thing is a bit overblown. Do you really think they're already getting equal treatment? Please. The football team travels by commuter jets and stays at 5-star hotels, while the women's soccer team travels by 15-passenger vans and stays at a Days Inn. If it comes to paying the student athletes, it will be far from equitable.
And I don't believe for one second that MOST of the D1 schools can't afford to pay them. Most can, but they'll have to make very difficult budget cuts elsewhere.
And I don't believe for one second that MOST of the D1 schools can't afford to pay them. Most can, but they'll have to make very difficult budget cuts elsewhere.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:27 am to maine82
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I think if you can generate money on the side, neither you nor your team should be penalized by the NCAA, so long as you don't go past a certain limit.
Problem is then a program can rig a lot of sales for the player which would be the same as paying them.
I think the best answer is a stipend for a gradual change, but I know what will happen is some judge will rule from the bench and it will be free-agency chaos.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:31 am to RT1941
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No one's buying the freaking jersey of a left-tackle. Even though his big arse was instrumental in protecting a stud QB like Manziel/Newton and boosting them in their Heisman performance season.
Fatties gonna lose out in the jersey game.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:51 am to maine82
quote:Who is supposed to monitor that limit? JFF scratched off his autograph on thousands of items in the offseason, out of the goodness of his heart which resulted in a damn 6 month NCAA invesitgation. That's just one QB in one offseason. Who the hell is going to monitor every high-profile QB/WR/RB/LB, etc. that chooses to spend their offseason time at signing sessions?
I think if you can generate money on the side, neither you nor your team should be penalized by the NCAA, so long as you don't go past a certain limit.
Manziel could make money on the side, as could Cam Newton, as can Jameis Winston, as could the Fab 5, et cetera. That to me is a fair resolution. But Saban is right, the Universities are putting a lot into these players, and I don't think they should be obligated to pay player stipends beyond the current amount.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:00 am to Alahunter
He's absolutely correct and players better think long and hard about the consequences of unionization.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 10:34 am to RT1941
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Who is supposed to monitor that limit? JFF scratched off his autograph on thousands of items in the offseason, out of the goodness of his heart which resulted in a damn 6 month NCAA invesitgation. That's just one QB in one offseason. Who the hell is going to monitor every high-profile QB/WR/RB/LB, etc. that chooses to spend their offseason time at signing sessions?
IRS filings or self-reporting, which is what Louisiana state politicians are required to do. You could structure it in a way that requires players to make their filings available to the athletic department, and also require that athletic departments can't help their players make money beyond the exposure those players are already getting through their team.
It doesn't mean that you'll never have players try to hide money they are making, just like you're never going to be able to account for every lying politician. But you have that problem already. This is not a panacea. But what it does is allow some leniency in the law, so players who can legitimately make money can do so.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 10:37 am
Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:43 am to Yintros
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No one's buying the freaking jersey of a left-tackle. Even though his big arse was instrumental in protecting a stud QB like Manziel/Newton and boosting them in their Heisman performance season.
No one's buying JFF's jersey if he's playing in the CFL, or even at Jacksonville State, either.
It's not like the schools and their popularity play no role in the athlete gaining his own.
College football is big because of these large state institutions and their loyal fanbases and alumni.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:00 pm to AubieALUMdvm
Most people who go to college are either saddled with decades worth of debt, or go into the military before or after the fact. Very few get a scholarship. Those that get academic ones have to maintain pretty high grades.
Athletes get to go to school for free while playing a GAME.
Athletes get to go to school for free while playing a GAME.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:03 pm to skrayper
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Most people who go to college are either saddled with decades worth of debt, or go into the military before or after the fact. Very few get a scholarship. Those that get academic ones have to maintain pretty high grades.
Athletes get to go to school for free while playing a GAME.
Wait.. What the hell? I was unaware that so many college attendees joined the military. News.
If it's just a GAME, then the coaches and schools would be fine donating all of the proceeds to charity, right?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:43 pm to Yintros
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However, if the players get their "scholarship" taxed, I believe the NCAA and its members should lose tax-exempt status.
That's kinda retarded thinking. By that logic, every coach should be tax exempt, if the players are. Because they're the ones wanting to call themselves employees (the players).
It's easy. Exchange your talents in a sport for the opportunity for an education, and possibly a career in it. Or get a job out of High School or try out for Arena football or the Canadian football league. Or better yet, use entrepreneurial spirit and start your own minor league and market it to the NFL as a development league.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:50 pm to diddydirtyAubie
quote:Nobody is forcing you to work, You deserve nothing
nobody is forcing them to play. they deserve nothing.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:44 pm to Alahunter
makes almost perfect sense to me.
Oh, and I only have one question about the whole CFB players being "employees"... will they now get automatically drug tested with every workplace injury like the rest of us?
Oh, and I only have one question about the whole CFB players being "employees"... will they now get automatically drug tested with every workplace injury like the rest of us?
Posted on 4/1/14 at 2:00 pm to MIZ_COU
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Nobody is forcing you to work, You deserve nothing
You don't work until you agree to a base salary or hourly wage. It's a two party transaction, even though in this day and age people seem to have forgotten that.
Either the employer can match the demands of the employee or he can't, upon which the employee can choose to opt out or go somewhere else and the employer can find a lesser qualified/talented employee... or an equal one who demands less.
Nobody is forcing anybody to work, but most people decide it is in their best interest to do so. Most football recruits decide it is in their best interest to go to college and play.
Posted on 4/1/14 at 2:13 pm to Mohican
I've read some articles that say this ruling could be overturned on appeals. This particular board is comprised of highly pro union members, many who were recently appointed by our liberal president; it was far from a being fair & impartial hearing. Asfor any feeling of being just a piece of property, has anyone not heard what happens in the AAU leagues, with parents shopping their kids to the higest bidder? What was Cam to his father? This property thing starts early on, especially with the "stars", and it orignates with the parents.
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