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re: Remember myocarditis? Study finds only 0.7% of college athletes w/ COVID had heart issues.

Posted on 4/20/21 at 7:01 am to
Posted by jryanw
Bham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
4612 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 7:01 am to
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Someone put Dan Wolken on suicide watch.


If we could only be so lucky.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37559 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 7:02 am to
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That’s actually much higher than I thought it would be and kinda scary.


That 0.7% is possible, probable, and definite so it’s not even actually 0.7%
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 7:21 am to
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That’s actually much higher than I thought it would be and kinda scary.


It shouldn't be. OP's headline is consistent with the story, but when you actually read the details it says:

possible, probable or definite myocarditis, or heart inflammation

and reasonably flagged those for further review, which found:

quote:

Of the 21 cases of possible to confirmed cardiac concerns, cardiac MRIs found 11 cases of definite or probable myocardial or myopericardial issues; nine of those were cases in which the athlete showed moderate or cardiopulmonary symptoms or had abnormal findings on one of the triad tests.


So, you already are down to 11 (0.36%) and the real number could even be lower because some of the probable group could later end up being negative.

Further, what they apparently didn't do but would be interesting to see, is conduct a similar test on random samples of COVID-negative athletes to see what their positive rate turns out to be. Myocarditis can be caused by many viruses including some very common ones like strep and staph.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30254 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 8:13 am to
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I hear the “hospital capacity” garbage. Here in the DFW they had a convention center set up for the over capacity of hospitals. It was never used.


Anyone remember the US Naval Hospital ship that was deployed to NYC that ended up +90% EMPTY?

My friend (nurse practitioner) worked on that vessel for +/- 2 mos, prepared and ready for the Covid patients. At the peak they housed less than 75 total patients on the ship. She made some serious bank though, enough to pay off graduate school loans.
Posted by paperwasp
11x HRV tRant Poster of the Week
Member since Sep 2014
23175 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 8:22 am to
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That’s actually much higher than I thought it would be and kinda scary. But does it define “heart issues” anywhere?
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One common "triad" protocol was to conduct an electrocardiogram, a blood test for troponin protein and an echocardiogram -- or ultrasound -- of the heart. In some cases, students also underwent cardiac MRIs.

Of the 21 cases of possible to confirmed cardiac concerns, cardiac MRIs found 11 cases of definite or probable myocardial or myopericardial issues; nine of those were cases in which the athlete showed moderate or cardiopulmonary symptoms or had abnormal findings on one of the triad tests.

Researchers also determined that COVID-19 did not cause any athletes in the study to suffer a heart attack or related event.

The article only states that the 21 issues noted were "cardiac concerns," and that only about half of those concerns (11) were "definite or probable" myocardial issues. The others were "abnormal findings."

Myocarditis itself is essentially inflammation of the heart muscle.

An important side note is that while a viral infection usually causes myocarditis, it does not mean it was due to COIVD. Viruses responsible can also be the common cold, gastrointestinal infections, hepatitis, herpes, mononucleosis, and HIV.

It can also result from bacterial and fungal infections, a reaction to a medication or cocaine use, and exposure to carbon monoxide.

One earlier small-scale study indicated a 15% incidence of myocarditis in about two dozen Ohio State athletes. This larger testing suggests that those isolated findings probably resulted from one of the above causes, and not COVID.
Posted by blackinthesaddle
Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
1732 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 11:38 am to
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Places like Winston County in Alabama doesn’t even have a doc in the box anymore


There's literally a hospital in Winston County Alabama

Hospital Location on a map

And yes, I used Bing instead of Google Maps.
Posted by paperwasp
11x HRV tRant Poster of the Week
Member since Sep 2014
23175 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 11:40 am to
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And yes, I used Bing instead of Google Maps

We know what you "use" Bing for, you perverted bastard
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
41499 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 11:59 am to
I would like to know the number of NCAA athletes with heart issues prior to COVID. Also I would like to know the exact type of MRI machine used in each test and how old it is. I would also like to know the qualifications of each person who is interpreting the results.

I don't trust any of this shite from these fricking eggheads. And I am talking about the people doing the studies and the people reporting on the studies. They are all biased as hell, and put out garbage information.
Posted by paperwasp
11x HRV tRant Poster of the Week
Member since Sep 2014
23175 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:13 pm to
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I would like to know the number of NCAA athletes with heart issues prior to COVID

That's a good question. I would assume they probably don't know, because it seems that this level of cardiac testing isn't performed until they become symptomatic.

I also think it's very likely that at least some of the participants in this study had issues that were not related to COVID. (And even with those included, the resulting data still shows that heart issues for athletes are statistically insignificant.)
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
5946 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:39 pm to
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If you’re going to talk capacity at least speak about it honestly. We never were close to running out of beds. Some hospitals were stretched dangerously thin with nurses though, and ironically other hospitals were so slow they had to cut some nurses due to budgets.



A bed that cannot be staffed is as good a bed that doesn't exist. The problems were multivariate, no doubt about it.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
5946 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:44 pm to
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There's literally a hospital in Winston County Alabama

Hospital Location on a map

And yes, I used Bing instead of Google Maps.


Thank you. I was operating under old information. I was living closer to Winston County a few years back and was getting more regular news about how they were about to be without a medical center/hospital. But it seems that local communities and county found a way to keep it open after I fell out of contact on that issue. Good to hear.

LINK
Posted by cuddlefuddle
Member since Sep 2012
584 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:48 pm to
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Yes and soon we will be saying the same about COVID. 99.x% recovery rate. Fake pandemic.


Go choke on a bag of Cheetos, you dumb frick.
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