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re: Regarding the whole Bruce Pearl/Nate Oats comparison
Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:37 am to au4you
Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:37 am to au4you
Great points. As I have said earlier, I think many UAT fans are bandwagon basketball fans and literally have only been watching the past 3-4 years. I have actually found in general many SEC fans equate basketball and football success as the same, when in reality, they’re completely different in terms of success. Too many variables come into play when it comes to basketball. The best examples are ironically Auburn and UAT’s run to the final 4, moreso UAT. Auburn was struggling at the end of the year until they won their last 4 SEC games I believe and then won the SEC tournament. Got hot at the right time. I remember where I was thinking Auburn might miss the tournament altogether. Then UAT this year had lost 4 of their last 6 games, all by double digits, lost in their first game in SEC tournament but then got the most favorable matchups in the NCAA tournament and made it to the final four.
My point is that that is basketball in a nutshell. You can have a mediocre regular season but then get hot for 4-5 games and be in the final 4 and then you call it a successful season. Then you can be ranked in the top 15 the whole year, win your conference tournament and lose the first round and people will say it was a bad year. That’s not how basketball success works. Auburn didn’t do well in the postseason, but doesn’t mean their season was bad. And vice versa, just because you made the final four doesn’t mean you had a great season, like UAT. They still had double digit losses and got blown out in most of their losses. That’s why when I read these posts about trying to compare Auburn and UAT basketball, I have to just laugh at the ignorance of what basketball success really is.
My point is that that is basketball in a nutshell. You can have a mediocre regular season but then get hot for 4-5 games and be in the final 4 and then you call it a successful season. Then you can be ranked in the top 15 the whole year, win your conference tournament and lose the first round and people will say it was a bad year. That’s not how basketball success works. Auburn didn’t do well in the postseason, but doesn’t mean their season was bad. And vice versa, just because you made the final four doesn’t mean you had a great season, like UAT. They still had double digit losses and got blown out in most of their losses. That’s why when I read these posts about trying to compare Auburn and UAT basketball, I have to just laugh at the ignorance of what basketball success really is.
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:44 am to AUSCgrad2016
Spot on.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 9:54 am to AUSCgrad2016
Is what it is man… the draw you get also has a huge say in what happens.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 10:10 am to lowspark12
Yea, and that’s what I pointed out. Yes, UAT won their 4 games to make it to the final four, but context needs to be taken into account how they got there. Also, Auburn should not have lost to Yale, but it did, that’s the beauty of the tournament. In saying that, just because Auburn flamed out in the first round and they went to the final 4 doesn’t mean they had a better season than Auburn. It literally means that they just won 4 games in a row against mostly average teams. It doesn’t erase what Auburn did in the season up to the NCAA. Again, most people who don’t follow basketball equate postseason success with overall season success, and by doing that, you’ll have a distorted perception of how your team did that year.
I mean, look at Coach K. He was at Duke for 40 years and won only 5 national titles. Does that mean Coach K was a bad coach or a failure? No. It’s just means it is way more difficult to win national titles in basketball than it is in football. But that doesn’t dilute his resume since most of those seasons were successes overall, they just didn’t win a title or go to the final 4 every year. Again, that’s my whole point of this thread, trying to say that UAT’s coach is better than Pearl when in reality and o objectively they are pretty much equal.
I mean, look at Coach K. He was at Duke for 40 years and won only 5 national titles. Does that mean Coach K was a bad coach or a failure? No. It’s just means it is way more difficult to win national titles in basketball than it is in football. But that doesn’t dilute his resume since most of those seasons were successes overall, they just didn’t win a title or go to the final 4 every year. Again, that’s my whole point of this thread, trying to say that UAT’s coach is better than Pearl when in reality and o objectively they are pretty much equal.
This post was edited on 5/2/24 at 10:12 am
Posted on 5/2/24 at 12:02 pm to AUSCgrad2016
Why did you ban Stidham8? What are you trying to hide.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 12:13 pm to AUSCgrad2016
These threads are always terrible but I did have to jump in on this last comment.
Auburn and Bama went 1-1 head to head and both tied for 2nd in the SEC. Auburn won the SEC tourney and then lost in the opening round while Bama lost in the quarterfinals and then made the final four of the big dance. If that’s not having a better season for Bama then I don’t know what is
That’s not to say Alabama was the better team as the eye test and metrics would say differently. It just leads you to a rabbit hole you could find yourself in wondering why Bruce has struggled mightily to get out of the first weekend at Auburn.
Auburn and Bama went 1-1 head to head and both tied for 2nd in the SEC. Auburn won the SEC tourney and then lost in the opening round while Bama lost in the quarterfinals and then made the final four of the big dance. If that’s not having a better season for Bama then I don’t know what is
That’s not to say Alabama was the better team as the eye test and metrics would say differently. It just leads you to a rabbit hole you could find yourself in wondering why Bruce has struggled mightily to get out of the first weekend at Auburn.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 12:49 pm to Bryant91092
It’s really not that deep. College basketball success relies on a good to great guard play unless you have exceptional play from every other player on the floor. These last 3 years, the guard play has been very underwhelming, hence why Auburn has had early exits in the tournament. Even this year, the three guards that left combined averaged around 18-19 ppg. That’s mediocre to say the least. And then Aden couldn’t hit anything and was probably Auburn’s worst shooter the whole year arguably. Auburn was relying on him to be a playmaker but he just couldn’t find his shot. So yea, when you have mediocre guard play come in February and March, it will come back to haunt you, and it’s literally the reason why Auburn hasn’t advanced past the first weekend the last 3 years. I also think he has addressed that with the guards coming in for this year.
As for comparing the team’s seasons, again, you are not looking at the whole picture. Auburn was by far the better team, as you stated, by every metric and objective analysis. Yes, they split the series, but Auburn had a chance to win at your place while the game at Auburn was over before halftime. There was also a reason why Auburn had higher odds than your team. Your whole year was considered a success because of 4 games. You are telling me if your team lost in the first round it would have been overall the same success as Auburn? Rhetorical question.
Again, the tournament is not the only thing that matters in college basketball. Your team’s losses were almost all blowouts. But again, your team got a favorable draw and got to the final 4.
I will say this though, both teams choked mightily for the most part when playing any top team in conference and nationally.
As for comparing the team’s seasons, again, you are not looking at the whole picture. Auburn was by far the better team, as you stated, by every metric and objective analysis. Yes, they split the series, but Auburn had a chance to win at your place while the game at Auburn was over before halftime. There was also a reason why Auburn had higher odds than your team. Your whole year was considered a success because of 4 games. You are telling me if your team lost in the first round it would have been overall the same success as Auburn? Rhetorical question.
Again, the tournament is not the only thing that matters in college basketball. Your team’s losses were almost all blowouts. But again, your team got a favorable draw and got to the final 4.
I will say this though, both teams choked mightily for the most part when playing any top team in conference and nationally.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 5:27 pm to au4you
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Goddamn BamaBraves getting absolutely dragged in this thread by AUUSCgrad. Lots of points being intentionally ignored: Oats under performing last year despite the easy path. Oats having incredibly easy paths in the tournament this year, last year, and COVID year. Pearl is the driving reason Avery was fired and Oats was hired. Oats Covid year success where there were no true road games and players were opting out or being held out left and right. Bruce’s 2019-2020 team was playing its best ball going into March and gearing up to make a run in the SEC tourney and big dance before the postseason was canceled. But keep hammering the 5-6 year semantics like it’s such a super serious point.
lol…that’s a whole lot of words to admit in your last statement that Oats has been a better coach than Bruce since he arrived at Bama. It pains you guys so much, you write paragraph after paragraph trying to make it not true, half of which is factually incorrect (btw, you guys probably don’t even recognize that you’ve literally argued that Bama is a materially better overall program than AU in trying to prop up Bruce.)
If you guys are so confident in Bruce as a coach, how about we do a 1 yr SECRant self ban on who has the most NCAAT success in the next 3 seasons between Oats and Bruce? It would give somebody a good rest from April 2027 to April 2028. If not, you should ask yourself why you’re spending page after page defending Bruce when you clearly don’t think he’s on par.
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