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Question re: 12-team play-off next season

Posted on 1/3/24 at 8:24 pm
Posted by Keith101
Member since Aug 2016
178 posts
Posted on 1/3/24 at 8:24 pm
Is better NOT to be in the SECCG if you're already ranked in the top-10? Say, if you're ranked #9 & lose the game, you might easily be knocked-out of the play-offs. Conversely, if you #9 but don't play, you're likely still in. Thoughts?
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64772 posts
Posted on 1/3/24 at 8:31 pm to
My thoughts is the 12 team playoff will be as much, or more, of a shite show than the four team playoff was this year. You think there were heated arguments about a small handful of 12-0 and 11-1 teams, imagine the arguments when there are a whole bunch of 10-2 and 9-3 teams being haggled over.
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
12249 posts
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:11 pm to
68 teams in the NCAA basketball tournament and every year someone is screwed over. They could expand football to 16 and someone would get left out that “deserves” to be in.
Posted by Weagle25
THE Football State.
Member since Oct 2011
46216 posts
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:16 pm to
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imagine the arguments when there are a whole bunch of 10-2 and 9-3 teams being haggled over.

It will fix the problem of a team like FSU not being able to control their own destiny which makes people care about your complaints less.

You’re 10-2/9-3 and think you should’ve made it over the other 10-2 team? Who cares? Should’ve beat one of the teams you lost to. Kind of like Georgia this year. The cries for them are still there but given less credibility because they’ve should’ve beat Bama.

The problem I see coming with the 12 team playoff is having to potentially beat the same team 3 times. For example Washington/Oregon. Definitely a scenario where Oregon still gets in. What if Washington/Oregon end up facing off again in the playoff. Washington beats Oregon 2 out of 3 times but Oregon wins the national championship? Would make no sense.

At the end of the day, any given team should be able to control their destiny on the field and not by some bull shite eye test. This new playoff system gives us that somewhat.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 9:18 pm
Posted by WHS
walker LA.
Member since Feb 2006
3119 posts
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:21 pm to
Just do away with the SEC championship game.

TBH I would like to go to 32 teams and a 10 game season like in FCS and high school football.

The opt outs would stop immediately and most of the bowl games could still be played.
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
8636 posts
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:25 pm to
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My thoughts is the 12 team playoff will be as much, or more, of a shite show than the four team playoff was this year. You think there were heated arguments about a small handful of 12-0 and 11-1 teams, imagine the arguments when there are a whole bunch of 10-2 and 9-3 teams being haggled over.

12 teams. Ranked by the BCS computer. The end.
Posted by MurphyGator
Member since Jul 2021
965 posts
Posted on 1/3/24 at 9:52 pm to
Will strength of schedule be taken into consideration for making the 12 team playoff?
Posted by ht1950
Member since Dec 2023
113 posts
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:34 pm to
The one thing I think should NOT be done is to give one G5 team a spot in the 12-team playoff. What happened to Liberty is going to be the rule, not the exception.

Just go ahead and give the G5 its own playoff and use all those minor bowls (or most of them) to stage it.

No reason to keep a deserving P5 team out of the playoff for some politically-correct notionn.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71594 posts
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:37 pm to
Doing away with preseason polls would help a lot. Just because someone is a top team in a conference doesn’t make them a top team
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
10897 posts
Posted on 1/3/24 at 10:40 pm to
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Just do away with the SEC championship game.


On the one hand I agree.

On the other, if they’re giving byes to the Top 4, winning gets you a bye.

That said, the loser gets the real prize: A Home Playoff Game.
Posted by Bird_Hunter
Chicago
Member since Nov 2023
656 posts
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:55 pm to
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12 teams. Ranked by the BCS computer. The end.


I agree. It’s so comical that for how advanced computer programming and algorithms are in modern day we don’t have a completely objective ranking that takes in hundreds of data points to spit out rankings 1-25 each week with 0 biases.
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 11:58 pm
Posted by SECCowboy
Member since Jan 2024
10 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:11 am to
Is it that difficult to replicate the NFL playoff system? Just move bowl games as game 0 match ups between conferences, remove conference championships, put the playoff ranking based on W-L per conference.
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
4322 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:07 am to
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The one thing I think should NOT be done is to give one G5 team a spot in the 12-team playoff. What happened to Liberty is going to be the rule, not the exception.


It’s fine to not have an automatic qualifier. But if they are one of the top 12 teams then they should be in. See: Tulane in 2022 or Cincinnati in 2021
Posted by Smokeys Howl
Member since Oct 2022
1985 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:10 am to
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Is it that difficult to replicate the NFL playoff system?


It is when you have teams like Tennessee who have had to play UGA and ALA every single year, year in and year out, and then you have the rest of the scrubs who almost NEVER had to play both.

Until you have an equal divisional schedule, like in the NFL, then yes it is that difficult.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7280 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:30 am to
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Is better NOT to be in the SECCG if you're already ranked in the top-10? Say, if you're ranked #9 & lose the game, you might easily be knocked-out of the play-offs. Conversely, if you #9 but don't play, you're likely still in. Thoughts?


Most likely if you're #9 at the end of the regular season you already have a couple of losses and depending on when those losses occurred you probably ain't getting in without winning the SEC. I know that everyone thinks the playoff is going to ALWAYS have 3 SEC teams but there are going to be 4, one of which will be the SEC champ. There will ALWAYS be a group of 5 team no matter how low they are ranked because its a beauty contest with 12 winners. ND will almost always be in unless they have more than 3 losses. That leaves 6 spots. 4 conferences will get in a second team that leaves 2 open spots. Most years one of those will go to a SEC team BUT the big10, the big12 and the ACC will also be vying for those 2 spots. Given that its a committee and has nothing to do with playing the game you'd best win your conference and not have an injured QB. Most think there would have been 4 SEC teams in this year but a year ago if you said an undefeated ACC champion would not get in a 4 team playoff you'd have been thought to be insane. AS long as there is a committee involved the only sure way in is to win your conference, and then only 4 of those are guaranteed.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7280 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:34 am to
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My thoughts is the 12 team playoff will be as much, or more, of a shite show than the four team playoff was this year. You think there were heated arguments about a small handful of 12-0 and 11-1 teams, imagine the arguments when there are a whole bunch of 10-2 and 9-3 teams being haggled over.


When the narrative is weighed 10-2 and 9-3 teams may will be the biggest shitshow ever imagined. The committee proved that the narrative is the main point...what will have fans talking and watching talk shows and listening to talk shows. What happens on the field only gets you in the narrative...the narrative is what gets you in the playoff if you are not a conference champion and if you are not in the SEC or Big10 even winning your conference may not be enough.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11841 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:38 am to
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Doing away with preseason polls would help a lot. Just because someone is a top team in a conference doesn’t make them a top team



There is where the problem is, especially this year. I saw an article after the playoff selection. According to the CFB committee rules they are only required to generate the last poll which determines who gets into the playoffs. It was all they were set up to create. They were suppose to meet each week like they were doing but not release weekly polls. Apparently ESPN pushed for them to make the other polls to create the TV show and improve ratings. They did it that but it was to have no meaning outside of creating entertainment.

If they as designed only created the final poll I wonder how much controversy there would be like there is now. People could still question them excluding FSU but they would not be able to use the previous polls to argue about movement within.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 6:45 am
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7280 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:42 am to
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Will strength of schedule be taken into consideration for making the 12 team playoff?



Is there a meaningful way to do so? I don't think there is a meaningful or credible way to do so. It is easier to win any conference than it is the SEC. The SEC will become even more difficult to win when its the 2 best teams and not the division winners (hasn't happened in the west but the east has been won several times by the 3rd or 4th best team in the conference).

The "end" game is a league of about 36-60 programs comprised of 4 conferences who play everyone in their conference and the 4 winners and probably some wild card teams play in the playoffs. The fact is abundantly clear that Iowa and Mississippi State are not playing the same game as Michigan and Alabama. It is not great but its where the game is headed. Out of 136 or so bowl eligible teams only about 30 are actually playing the same game. Its the same as the NFL...most of the NFL is not interested in winning, they are interested in being in the NFL. The NBA, MLB, and I assume NHL are the same way...the top 6 of the SEC and Big 10 next year along with ND and probably Clemson and FSU are playing the same game...everybody is playing a variation of that game.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7280 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:53 am to
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It is when you have teams like Tennessee who have had to play UGA and ALA every single year, year in and year out, and then you have the rest of the scrubs who almost NEVER had to play both.

Until you have an equal divisional schedule, like in the NFL, then yes it is that difficult.


Its not difficult it is impossible. Winning the Big10 MOST years is slightly to significantly easier than winning the SEC. Winning the ACC is ALWAYS significantly easier than winning either and winning the Big12 will be anyone's guess but it looks like it might be easier than winning the ACC. The PAC 12 is no more and whatever becomes of that wont even be in the same league as the ACC. Add in that after the FSU debacle the ACC is on life support and CFB is reaching for the plug. There is simply no way to continue to keep the Vandys and even the South Carolina's in the same league as the Ohio States and Texas'....its too big to pretend any longer. Its a shame but its going to happen. At some point the Mississippi State's are going to be in a different league and playing on Thursdays, Fridays and early and LATE Saturdays while the Alabamas and Oklahomas play in prime time on Saturday.

Another BEAUTIFUL thing about say a 36 team league is 36 teams can agree to some governing body that can limit transfers to some extent and regulate tampering and recruiting and the like. All pro leagues more or less play by the same rules...it will be the same for the super league of CFB. You may transfer from a Tennessee to a North Carolina State without any hinderance but going from UGA to USC can be regulated if every team agrees.
Posted by Smokeys Howl
Member since Oct 2022
1985 posts
Posted on 1/4/24 at 7:22 am to
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but going from UGA to USC can be regulated if every team agrees.


That would be an upside.
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